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gmatophobia , Why did you not consider the "white" cases ? Amy and Brianne could have picked up white balls also..

Is it because picking up 'red' balls will lead to the worst possible cases ? Please explain and help me understand..
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Amy, Brianne, and Cedric will each choose exactly 1 container, Container X or Container Y, and then randomly pick 1 marble, without replacement, from that container. Container X has 3 red marbles and 10 white marbles, while Container Y has 2 red marbles and 8 white marbles. If Amy and Brianne each pick 1 marble before Cedric picks 1 marble, which of these containers should Cedric choose to maximize the probability that the 1 marble he picks will be a red marble?

(1) Cedric knows that Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X.
(2) Cedric knows that Brianne picked 1 red marble from Container Y.


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Statement 1

(1) Cedric knows that Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X.

Case 1 : Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X, and Brian picked 1 red marble from Container Y

When Cedric picks -


  • Probability(Red Marble in Container X) = \(\frac{2}{12} = 0.167\)
  • Probability(Red Marble in Container Y) = \(\frac{1}{9 }= 0.111\)

Therefore Probability(Red Marble in Container X) > Probability(Red Marble in Container Y)

Case 2: Amy and Brian picked 1 red marble from Container X

When Cedric picks -


  • Probability(Red Marble in Container X) = \(\frac{2}{11} = 0.0909\)
  • Probability(Red Marble in Container Y) = \(\frac{2}{8 }= 0.25\)

Therefore Probability(Red Marble in Container Y) > Probability(Red Marble in Container X)

As we are getting contradictory answers in both cases, the statement alone is not sufficient to answer the question. Eliminate A, and D.

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Statement 2

(2) Cedric knows that Brianne picked 1 red marble from Container Y.

Case 1: Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X, and Brian picked 1 red marble from Container Y

When Cedric picks -


  • Probability(Red Marble in Container X) = \(\frac{2}{12} = 0.167\)
  • Probability(Red Marble in Container Y) = \(\frac{1}{9 }= 0.111\)

Therefore Probability(Red Marble in Container X) > Probability(Red Marble in Container Y)

Case 2: Amy and Brian picked 1 red marble from Container Y

When Cedric picks -


  • Probability(Red Marble in Container X) = \(\frac{3}{13}\)
  • Probability(Red Marble in Container Y) = \(0\)

Therefore, Probability(Red Marble in Container X) > Probability(Red Marble in Container Y)

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Both cases lead to the same answer. Hence, the statement is sufficient to answer the question asked.

Option B.
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gmatophobia , Why did you not consider the "white" cases ? Amy and Brianne could have picked up white balls also..

Is it because picking up 'red' balls will lead to the worst possible cases ? Please explain and help me understand.
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We have to assume the worst case possible here. If Amy or Brianne picks while marble, the action is anyways in favor of Cedric. They now get more red marbles to choose from. ­
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What is the optimal timing for this question? Is it a 2 min question?
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What is the optimal timing for this question? Is it a 2 min question?

approx 1 minute. This is a sub 600 level question.
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Amy, Brianne, and Cedric will each choose exactly 1 container, Container X or Container Y, and then randomly pick 1 marble, without replacement, from that container. Container X has 3 red marbles and 10 white marbles, while Container Y has 2 red marbles and 8 white marbles. If Amy and Brianne each pick 1 marble before Cedric picks 1 marble, which of these containers should Cedric choose to maximize the probability that the 1 marble he picks will be a red marble?

(1) Cedric knows that Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X.
(2) Cedric knows that Brianne picked 1 red marble from Container Y.


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X: Probability of picking a red marble = 3/13

Y: Probability of picking a red marble = 2/10

Cedric should pick from the container from which his probability of picking a red marble is higher. Currently, probability of red in container X is higher. But after Amy and Brianne pick, we do not know which container has higher probability.

(1) Cedric knows that Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X.

X: Probability of picking a red marble = 2/12 now. But we do not know what Brienne picked. If she picked a red marble from X, Cedric should select Y. If she picked a red marble from Y, Cedric should select X.
Not sufficient.


(2) Cedric knows that Brianne picked 1 red marble from Container Y.

Y: Probability of picking a red marble = 1/9 now.
We do not know what Amy picked, but if she picked a red marble from X, X will still have higher probability than Y because it will still have 2/12 probability of a red marble which is higher than 1/9.
If Amy picked from Y, then anyway, Cedric should select X again.
So in either case here, Cedric should select X.

Sufficient alone.

Answer (B)

Note that this is an easy (C) trap question.
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Amy, Brianne, and Cedric will each choose exactly 1 container, Container X or Container Y, and then randomly pick 1 marble, without replacement, from that container. Container X has 3 red marbles and 10 white marbles, while Container Y has 2 red marbles and 8 white marbles. If Amy and Brianne each pick 1 marble before Cedric picks 1 marble, which of these containers should Cedric choose to maximize the probability that the 1 marble he picks will be a red marble?

(1) Cedric knows that Amy picked 1 red marble from Container X.
(2) Cedric knows that Brianne picked 1 red marble from Container Y.


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Q: which container has max probability of Cedric choosing 1 red marble?

Given:
xy
red32
white108

Option 1: Amy picked 1 red marble from cont. x. now X has 2 red and 10 white.
now, Brianne can pick from any container.


case a: B picks from X: now x has 1 red and 10 white.
hence P(C choosing red from x)= \(\frac{1}{11}\)
Similarly, P(C choosing red from y)= \(\frac{2}{10}\)= \(\frac{1}{5}\)
P(C choosing red from y) is greater for this case.

case b: B picks from y: now x has 2 red and 10 white, y has 2 red and 8 white
P(C choosing red from x)= \(\frac{2}{12}\)= \(\frac{1}{6}\)
P(C choosing red from y)= \(\frac{2}{10}\)= \(\frac{1}{5}\)
P(C choosing red from x) is greater for this case.


Hence not conclusive and insufficient.


[b]Option 2: Brainne picked 1 red marble from cont. y. now X has 3 red and 10 white and y has 1 red and 8 white
now, Ann can pick from any container.[/b]

case a: A picks from X: now x has 2 red and 10 white.
hence P(C choosing red from x)= \(\frac{1}{5}\)
Similarly, P(C choosing red from y)= \(\frac{1}{9}\)
P(C choosing red from x) is greater for this case.

case b: A picks from y: now x has 3 red and 10 white, y has 0 red and 8 white
P(C choosing red from x)= \(\frac{3}{12}\)= \(\frac{1}{4}\)
P(C choosing red from y)= \(\frac{0}{8}\)= 0
P(C choosing red from x) is greater for this case.

Hence P(C choosing red from x) is higher, sufficient to answer

Hence Ans is B.
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No it's not. And this kind of questions take average 2 minutes, and up to 2'30".
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What is the optimal timing for this question? Is it a 2 min question?

approx 1 minute. This is a sub 600 level question.
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