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study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Clearly statement 1 is not suffcieint statmnt 2: 10% W and 20% M. Even we don't the no of Men and Women it is clear that employment must be between 10 and 20 Sufficient. B.
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x2suresh wrote: study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Clearly statement 1 is not suffcieint statmnt 2: 10% W and 20% M. Even we don't the no of Men and Women it is clear that employment must be between 10 and 20 Sufficient. B. can u explain how the employment will be between 10 and 20 percent



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ALD wrote: x2suresh wrote: study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Clearly statement 1 is not suffcieint statmnt 2: 10% W and 20% M. Even we don't the no of Men and Women it is clear that employment must be between 10 and 20 Sufficient. B. can u explain how the employment will be between 10 and 20 percent its not employment of total country people.. its employment of people who are 65 years old or older is between 10 and 20 Question:Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed? rewrite the question Is employment atleast 10 percent of people who are 65 year old or older? From 65+ group 10% W employed and 20% M employed. W = no of women M = no of men employment(65+group) = 10*W/(M+W) + 20*M/(M+W) = weighted averge. If all are women . M=0 and employment =10 (Minimum value) if all are men W=0 and employment = 20 For any other ratio. it should be between 10 and 20. So employment is alwasy >=10
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Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed.
x2suresh, i couldn't really understand your logic.
St B: If country X has 200 people. 65+ are 20 of the 200 people. Of the 20 , 10 are male and 10 female. Then the number employed will be 20% of 10 and 10% of 10 which is equal to 3. 3 is not anywhere close to 10% of 200.
On the other hand If country X has 200 people. 65+ are 150 of the 200 people. Of the 150 , 100 are male and 50 female. Then the number employed will be 20% of 100 and 10% of 50 which is equal to 25, which is over 10% of 200.



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study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed.
x2suresh, i couldn't really understand your logic.
St B: If country X has 200 people. 65+ are 20 of the 200 people. Of the 20 , 10 are male and 10 female. Then the number employed will be 20% of 10 and 10% of 10 which is equal to 3. 3 is not anywhere close to 10% of 200.
On the other hand If country X has 200 people. 65+ are 150 of the 200 people. Of the 150 , 100 are male and 50 female. Then the number employed will be 20% of 100 and 10% of 50 which is equal to 25, which is over 10% of 200. I agree that quesiton is poorly worded. Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed? are atleast 10% of people who are 65+ .. are employed ? From your example are atleast 10% of 20(people who are 65+) are employed? 3 people are employer.. 3/20*100=15% >10% I hope you got it. What is the source of this question.
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B shld be the ans The main point in this question is that it asks the percentage of 65+ age grp who are employed. So we need not know the total no of ppl . statement 1 is insufficient.Its not telling anything abt employement. so A and D are out St 2: suppose 65+ age grp ppl are 100 in no. Then out of these 20 men and 10 women are employed. That means employed %age ppl in this category is 30%. Hence suff study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed.



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ritula wrote: B shld be the ans The main point in this question is that it asks the percentage of 65+ age grp who are employed. So we need not know the total no of ppl . statement 1 is insufficient.Its not telling anything abt employement. so A and D are out St 2: suppose 65+ age grp ppl are 100 in no. Then out of these 20 men and 10 women are employed. That means employed %age ppl in this category is 30%. Hence suff study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
1. In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older 2. In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. B is indeed the answer. However, it is important to point out that we do not know the ratio of Men/Women above age 65. For example, if 65+ group have 100 ppl and all are women, we would only have 10 employed. Since the question asked at least 10, it is sufficient. I would just like to point out that people need to consider the absolute "minimum" since we are not given men/women ratio of the group. Another point is that, you cannot simply added 10% and 20% to get the total employed to be 30%. The total have to be between 10% and 20%.... I am not sure if this is reading too much into the question



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ritula wrote: B shld be the ans The main point in this question is that it asks the percentage of 65+ age grp who are employed. So we need not know the total no of ppl . statement 1 is insufficient.Its not telling anything abt employement. so A and D are out St 2: suppose 65+ age grp ppl are 100 in no. Then out of these 20 men and 10 women are employed. That means employed %age ppl in this category is 30%. Hence suff
The red part is not correct. Men + Women = 100, you can say 20% of men is 20 just in case women = 0. Similarly, Women = 10 only when Men=0. So employ 65+ cann't be 10+20=30. Instead, it is between 1020.
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yes i think ritula was just a bit confused assuming a 50/50 Man/woman split youd have 10 men employed and 5 women employed = 15% employment for this age group range must be 1020% inclusive. immediately i considered an all women population even though technically ridiculous
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study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
(1) In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older (2) In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Question: is at least 10% of some particular group of people employed? (1) This particular group composes 11.3% of total population. Clearly insufficient, as no info about employment rates in this group. (2) 10% of men in this group and 20% of women in this group are employed. No matter how many men and women are in this group, more than 10% will be employed. This is because the weighted average of 2 individual averages (10% and 20%) must lie between these individual averages, so percent of employed people in this group is between 10% and 20%. Sufficient. Answer: B.
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got it wrong but thanks for the explanation



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Wow... the wording on this question is very tough. For the longest time i thought it was asking for 10% of the entire population. Thanks for the clarification.
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Statement 1: Insufficient, there is no info on employed and the question asks about the employed.
Statement 2: If it's intuitively not clear, draw a tree diagram. from x emerges two branches: 65 years or older people and less than 65. we are not concerned about the second branch. of the first branch of 65 years or older, they can be either men or women. from men, we can draw two branches, one for the employed, one for unemployed. we do the same for the women. we are told that the employed category % for men is 20%, for women 10%. at this point, forget everything and think: if of all the grandmas, 10% are employed and of all the grandpas 20% are employed, then at least 10% of these grandparents are employed. It should make sense for at least two reasons: 1. there is no "third" sex as far as i know. 2. Uncle Sam's social security system is bankrupt making retirement a dream for many.



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I set out the equation ...(10%*F + 20%*M)/ (F + M) ? >= 10%, where F and M represent the number of females and males in the older than or equal to 65 group. I then subbed in the lowest numbers 1 and 1 for both female and male (potentially you can also use 0), and the result was 15%. Since this is greater than 10%, statement B is sufficient.



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The person has tagged this question as overlapping sets. I seem to face the same problem How can you tell the difference between an overlapping set and weighted average problem? They seem to be worded very similarly. Statement 2 equation is \(\frac{10% F + 20% M}{F + M}> = \frac{10}{100}\)
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Bunuel wrote: study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
(1) In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older (2) In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Question: is at least 10% of some particular group of people employed? (1) This particular group composes 11.3% of total population. Clearly insufficient, as no info about employment rates in this group. (2) 10% of men in this group and 20% of women in this group are employed. No matter how many men and women are in this group, more than 10% will be employed. This is because the weighted average of 2 individual averages (10% and 20%) must lie between these individual averages, so percent of employed people in this group is between 10% and 20%. Sufficient. Answer: B. Hi Bunuel, Question regarding your explanation of Stm2. It says that 10% of m over 65 and 20 % of w over 65 are employed. How does this translate into 10% of over 65 being employed? If it's a weighted average problem, then don't we need to know the number of m/f over 65 to prove sufficiency?



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russ9 wrote: Bunuel wrote: study wrote: Are at least 10 percent of the people in Country X who are 65 years old or older employed?
(1) In Country X, 11.3% of the population is 65 years old or older (2) In Country X, of the population 65 years old or older, 20 percent of the men and 10 percent of the women are employed. Question: is at least 10% of some particular group of people employed? (1) This particular group composes 11.3% of total population. Clearly insufficient, as no info about employment rates in this group. (2) 10% of men in this group and 20% of women in this group are employed. No matter how many men and women are in this group, more than 10% will be employed. This is because the weighted average of 2 individual averages (10% and 20%) must lie between these individual averages, so percent of employed people in this group is between 10% and 20%. Sufficient. Answer: B. Hi Bunuel, Question regarding your explanation of Stm2. It says that 10% of m over 65 and 20 % of w over 65 are employed. How does this translate into 10% of over 65 being employed? If it's a weighted average problem, then don't we need to know the number of m/f over 65 to prove sufficiency? Let me ask you a question: the average height of girls in a class is 1.5 meters and the average height of boys in the class is 1.6 meters. Can the average height of all students there be less than 1.5 meters or more than 1.6 meters?
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Bunuel, is the following logic correct for (2)? For \(aE\) where \(E\) represents the people who are 65 years or older and who are employed, is \(a >= .1?\) \(E = m+f\) \(.2m+.1f = .1m + .1(m+f) = .1m + .1E\) Sufficient, since \(a >= .1\) (and we know that \(a > .1\) since we haven't taken into account the \(.1m\) in the coefficient in front of \(E\))




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