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Are my scores enough? Or should I retake?

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Hi all,

I am applying to INSEAD and HEC Paris' PhD programs. My undergrad GPA is 3.7, I have a research masters in chemistry with a 4.0 GPA, and an MBA degree with a GPA of 4.0. I have work experience of 7 years a in various industries as well.

I have presented twice the GMAT, in 2017 my score was 670, 5 on AWA and 7 on IR.
I took the GMAT again a week ago, got a 710 score, but my AWA score is 4.5 and my IR is 5 (was sick and lost focus in the end).
Both scores appear on my GMAT test score, but I'm worried my second scores will affect me badly.

Should I retake the gmat?

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New post 06 Dec 2019, 10:06
Since the difference between 2 exams is a weeks time, you can justify your score dip in AWA/IR in interview.
Else, 710 is a good score considering especially your profile. I don’t think you should give another try just to improve in your AWA/IR

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Dillesh4096 wrote:
Since the difference between 2 exams is a weeks time, you can justify your score dip in AWA/IR in interview.
Else, 710 is a good score considering especially your profile. I don’t think you should give another try just to improve in your AWA/IR

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The thing is, it's a 2 years difference between the exams. This is why I am very worried.
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New post 06 Dec 2019, 10:25
POPS_91 wrote:
Hi all,

I am applying to INSEAD and HEC Paris' PhD programs. My undergrad GPA is 3.7, I have a research masters in chemistry with a 4.0 GPA, and an MBA degree with a GPA of 4.0. I have work experience of 7 years a in various industries as well.

I have presented twice the GMAT, in 2017 my score was 670, 5 on AWA and 7 on IR.
I took the GMAT again a week ago, got a 710 score, but my AWA score is 4.5 and my IR is 5 (was sick and lost focus in the end).
Both scores appear on my GMAT test score, but I'm worried my second scores will affect me badly.

Should I retake the gmat?

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I agree with Dillesh4096, regardless of the two-year gap you more recently mentioned. Since the other parts of your application are in good order and you have demonstrated in the past that you can handle the IR and AWA, there is no need to subject yourself to the GMAT™ for a third time in a rush bid to round out everything. Consider, what would you do if you landed somewhere in the middle, as often happens with back-to-back testing experiences, say, a 690-700 total score, a 5.0 AWA, and a 6 IR? Or what if the score were lopsided in some other way? Would you feel any better with an 8 IR but a 680 total score? I would go ahead and apply. If you were unsuccessful at earning your place in the program, then you could consider a retake.

Best of luck.

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New post 06 Dec 2019, 10:29
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POPS_91 wrote:
Hi all,

I am applying to INSEAD and HEC Paris' PhD programs. My undergrad GPA is 3.7, I have a research masters in chemistry with a 4.0 GPA, and an MBA degree with a GPA of 4.0. I have work experience of 7 years a in various industries as well.

I have presented twice the GMAT, in 2017 my score was 670, 5 on AWA and 7 on IR.
I took the GMAT again a week ago, got a 710 score, but my AWA score is 4.5 and my IR is 5 (was sick and lost focus in the end).
Both scores appear on my GMAT test score, but I'm worried my second scores will affect me badly.

Should I retake the gmat?

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I agree with Dillesh4096, regardless of the two-year gap you more recently mentioned. Since the other parts of your application are in good order and you have demonstrated in the past that you can handle the IR and AWA, there is no need to subject yourself to the GMAT™ for a third time in a rush bid to round out everything. Consider, what would you do if you landed somewhere in the middle, as often happens with back-to-back testing experiences, say, a 690-700 total score, a 5.0 AWA, and a 6 IR? Or what if the score were lopsided in some other way? Would you feel any better with an 8 IR but a 680 total score? I would go ahead and apply. If you were unsuccessful at earning your place in the program, then you could consider a retake.

Best of luck.

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Then I will focus on the letter of motivation for both schools and the research subjects presentation.
One more question: at INSEAD it is not required from my side to apply to the program since my last degree courses were in English. However, I am taking the test anyways for HEC Paris, where it is required. If I submit my TOEFL score, can it be an indicator that my level of English is up to their standards despite the AWA score? Or there is no need for me to send unnecessary test results?
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POPS_91 wrote:

Then I will focus on the letter of motivation for both schools and the research subjects presentation.
One more question: at INSEAD it is not required from my side to apply to the program since my last degree courses were in English. However, I am taking the test anyways for HEC Paris, where it is required. If I submit my TOEFL score, can it be an indicator that my level of English is up to their standards despite the AWA score? Or there is no need for me to send unnecessary test results?


If the school does not ask you to submit something, then do not submit it just to make yourself look better. Following instructions often works better. On the other hand, if you contact someone from the program and ask about sending a TOEFL score, and you are told that it will be considered if you submit it, then by all means, have at it.

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New post 06 Dec 2019, 10:48
MentorTutoring wrote:
POPS_91 wrote:

Then I will focus on the letter of motivation for both schools and the research subjects presentation.
One more question: at INSEAD it is not required from my side to apply to the program since my last degree courses were in English. However, I am taking the test anyways for HEC Paris, where it is required. If I submit my TOEFL score, can it be an indicator that my level of English is up to their standards despite the AWA score? Or there is no need for me to send unnecessary test results?


If the school does not ask you to submit something, then do not submit it just to make yourself look better. Following instructions often works better. On the other hand, if you contact someone from the program and ask about sending a TOEFL score, and you are told that it will be considered if you submit it, then by all means, have at it.

- Andrew


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