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Thanks for your reply:) i am reading manhattan guides for quants as of now.was looking for some practice questions as i am more comfortable reading with books rather than online( gmat club test)

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First of all, Congrats!! 770 is absolutely amazing!

I'd love to get your views on this:


I have been scoring v38-40 but I just couldn't make it go beyond 40 how-much-ever I try. I think I know almost all the CR , SC concepts but I just couldn't score above 40, and I don't want to practice from a lesser difficulty source. These days, I am starting to believe that it really doesn't matter how much ever you practice 'CR'. Anyway, do you have any suggestions on good practice materials (like really difficult but good) ? Or any suggestions in general for Verbal? What other exams did you take?


Also, did you feel real GMAT verbal was more complex (in terms of 'word' usage) than GMAT prep?

Everybody kept on mentioning that MGMAT verbal was at around the same level as GMAT verbal is, but I found that GMAT Prep was significantly different plus a notch higher than the general MGMAT CAT tests.

Also, did you practice IR and AWA when you used to take MGMAT mocks? Or were these scores without AWA IR?
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@Sweety04: I agree with you wholeheartedly as I am also someone who prefers books over online resources.

However, you have to recognize that the GMAT is a computer-based test. And the GMATClub interface does recreate that experience to a great deal. So, consider using some online resources over none at all.

If you're still set on books, then I think your current choice of Manhattan Quant books is a good idea. You could supplement that with the GMAT Quantitative Review if you need more practice
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@Trocker:

Thank you for your wishes! :)

I'll take your questions one at a time.

Firstly, it seems like you're stuck in a bit of a rut. Your verbal score is plateauing in the 38-40 range, but you don't seem to be able to go beyond that. I hope I've understood your situation properly.

Firstly, I think you're spot on in identifying that it's more important to recognize how well you're able to answer questions than how many questions you're able to answer. With that in mind, I'm not sure if the questions you're getting wrong are due to conceptual errors or application errors. You've mentioned that you're thorough with your Verbal concepts. Therefore, if it's the former you're going wrong in, then it makes more sense to review a better explained set of concepts to clarify your understanding. If it's the latter, then you need more practice applying those concepts. But, blindly doing problems either way wouldn't see you greatly improve.

On good practice material for Verbal, I think GMAT Verbal Review and the Manhattan tests were of an excellent standard. In addition, Kaplan's got a very interesting set of questions.

Yes, I think it's CRUCIAL that you practice all mock tests with IR and AWA. Otherwise, you miss out on the real test experience.

I felt the actual GMAT was only more complicated in the RC section, but everything felt of similar or lesser difficulty than I had experienced earlier.

A list of tests I've taken is displayed on the post.

With regards to suggestions for Verbal, this might sound like a silly suggestion. But, I strongly recommend the activity I pursued during my prep time in the 3rd week of June - which was to take a break from prep for a few days and peruse novels, newspapers and other casual reading material. My reason for the activity is because I think stress affects your performance and constantly forcing you to look at passages with the intent of analyzing them might cause you to experience unnecessary stress. Therefore, I believe that reading something just for pleasure will bring back the freshness you require to do Verbal even better than before. As I've posted above, my scores improved after a break and I'm sure yours will too
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With regards to suggestions for Verbal, this might sound like a silly suggestion. But, I strongly recommend the activity I pursued during my prep time in the 3rd week of June - which was to take a break from prep for a few days and peruse novels, newspapers and other casual reading material. My reason for the activity is because I think stress affects your performance and constantly forcing you to look at passages with the intent of analyzing them might cause you to experience unnecessary stress. Therefore, I believe that reading something just for pleasure will bring back the freshness you require to do Verbal even better than before. As I've posted above, my scores improved after a break and I'm sure yours will too


This is exactly what I have been thinking, I performed much better when I continued reading novels in between the test. This is golden! Thanks!
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Hey balajiram02! Kudos for the score and best of luck with your applications.

I have a small query. When you took a break (the fifa one) did you completely stop studying? I mean not even few daily questions?

Also, after resuming the prep from the break how did you start?
Any warm-up? Revised all the books? Or just headed for a mock and then daily practice?

I have completed all the content available for GMAT as in the syllabus..or whatever you want to call it..
I am on a break (10-15 days) for some reasons and would be resuming soon.
I'm not sure if I should read the whole MGMAT Guides again or just spend some time reviewing,,,

What are your suggestions?
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@Trocker:

I'm glad you concur on this key viewpoint :D
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@b2bt:

When I took breaks, I made I was completely cut-off from any prep work. So, I didn't do any questions during that time.

When I came back, I attacked all the material I had with renewed vigor. As I was in the last 10 days of my prep cycle, I chose to focus more on practice tests. I did tests in the morning and questions in the evening. If you've got more time before your exam, you can pick an alternate approach.

With regards to the MGMAT guides, I think it's always useful to re-read their 3 Verbal guides. It's good to keep that knowledge clear and easily accessible. With regards to the Quant guides, it's up to you. If you feel like you're confident of a process to solve Quant questions, then you can choose to review only the questions that you find difficult
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Congrats)) I would like to know how you prepared for SC? I practiced from manhattan, official guide, verbal review, but still think i should practice more, but cannot find any resources. What was your experience? Does kaplan has good sc resources?
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Hi Balajiram,

My approach to GMAT is pretty similar to what you did and seeing your success using this strategy, I am more assertive that my preparations will work. From July 1st I have been studying the whole time and my exam is on July 31st. :)

I am planning a CAT marathon just like what you did. There are lots of discussions on forums that the scores of Kaplan are not accurate and I notice an increase in your Kaplan CATs followed by a dip when you took Manhattan CATs and a jump once you took the GMAT Prep tests. I have access to Kaplan's 6 CATs and no access to Manhattan CATs.

1. How was your experience with the Kaplan and Manhattan CATs?
2. Questions from which CAT are more similar to test like questions?
3. Is it worth buying Manhattan CATs now? Which one would you suggest and why?

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Joseph

[quote="balajiram02"]Hello!

Test Scores



I apologize in advance for not remembering the sectional scaled scores accurately.

    Kaplan CAT 1 (Diagnostic Test) [April 4th, 2014]: 680
    Kaplan CAT 2 [May 2nd, 2014]: 720
    Kaplan CAT 3 [June 8th, 2014]: 750
Note: I was intending to take the other two. But, for some reason they refused to load for me.

    Manhattan CAT 1 [June 10th, 2014]: 680 (Q46, V36)
    Manhattan CAT 2 [June th, 2014]: 690 (Q45, V38)
    Manhattan CAT 3 [June 24th, 2014]: 710 (Q48, V39)
    Manhattan CAT 4 [June 25th, 2014]: 680 (Q46, V37)
    Manhattan CAT 5 [June 26th, 2014]: 720 (Q47, V40)
    Manhattan CAT 6 [June 27th, 2014]: 730 (Q45, V45)
    GMATPrep CAT 1 [June 28th, 2014]: 740 (Q50, V40)
    GMATPrep CAT 2 [June 29th, 2014]: 760 (Q51, V42)

GMAT [June 30th, 2014]: 770 (Q51, V44)
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@Ergenekon:

My SC theory preparation was almost wholly based only on the Manhattan SC guide and lots and lots of practice questions from the OG, Kaplan Premier and Verbal Review.

Since you've already finished these resources, consider doing them again. Like I explained in my post, I think there's a lot that can be learnt in your second attempt at the same questions.

Otherwise, Magoosh has some extra Verbal prep questions you can do. The link's available on GMATCLub.

Additionally, I think you'll gain a lot of practice once you start taking practice tests
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@joseph0alexander:

1. Kaplan tests: In hindsight, these tests were more accurate in their scoring and more akin to the real GMAT questions than I could possibly imagine. However, I took these tests at the beginning of my test marathon. I did do a lot of work in between those days and the final exam. So, there is some merit to the argument that Kaplan's scores aren't as accurate as they should be.

With regards to the Manhattan CATs, it's like practicing running in 10 times Earth's gravity. Their quant section is insane. And their verbal is excellent too. You may or may not share this belief too, but I truly believe that facing the difficulty level of Manhattan CATs prepared me on a mental level to take on any question in the GMAT. And with the exception of a few questions, none of the actual GMAT questions challenged me more than the Manhattan CATs.

2. All tests do a wonderful job of mimicking the question style, but the question difficulty is what varies. GMATPrep was most accurate in that aspect. If I had to put a marker, I'd say Kaplan's questions are a tad bit easier and Manhattan harder.

3. I'm a huge fan of Manhattan's CATs because of the belief I've stated in Answer 1. But, I think there's more to it than just that. To me, I think a lot of people get complacent after they get good practice test scores. With Kaplan, that's highly likely to happen. Overconfidence is detrimental to performance.

On the other hand, the Manhattan tests could break you mentally if you don't respond well to score decreases and the heightened difficulty. The lower scores kept me grounded and motivated. It also kept my expectations realistic. Additionally, I think the gradual improvement in my CAT scores with every Manhattan CAT until I hit the fated 720 mark in the Manhattan CATs eventually boosted my confidence further.

Depending on which approach you prefer, you can decide your test of choice. Alternatively, you can purchase more GMATPrep tests if you'd like very accurate results and questions.
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So you plan to study MBA shortly after finishing you undergraduate programmes? it seems similar to my situation. Thus which school do you apply for? Thanks for sharing
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@toan3390:

I'm sorry for the late reply.

I'm not trying to be modest or anything, but I don't have enough of a profile yet to attract one of the top B-schools in the US. I think it's more prudent in my case to gain some serious work experience in the next few years and apply abroad once I'm confident I can justify with empirical evidence why an MBA would help my career develop
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Your post was very helpful for me when I took the GMAT last week! THANK YOU!
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