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Thanks, brainhurt.

Damn good list of info since it came straight from adcom.

"-he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this."

Hmmm... maybe I shoulda said IB rather than PE.
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

can you elaborate on the gloomy picture he painted for the career switchers? thanks.
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

Any other information about jterm?
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

can you elaborate on the gloomy picture he painted for the career switchers? thanks.




The info session I went to, a gloomy picture was painted ONLY FOR J-TERM APPLICANTS who are career switchers. The reason being that they don't have the internship opportunity. Obviously a b-school isnt going to paint a gloomy picture for everyone who wants to be a career switcher-- thats why many people GO TO BSCHOOL! Don't sweat it lawgone....
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

can you elaborate on the gloomy picture he painted for the career switchers? thanks.




The info session I went to, a gloomy picture was painted ONLY FOR J-TERM APPLICANTS who are career switchers. The reason being that they don't have the internship opportunity. Obviously a b-school isnt going to paint a gloomy picture for everyone who wants to be a career switcher-- thats why many people GO TO BSCHOOL! Don't sweat it lawgone....
Columbia, supposedly (from what I learned at an information session), won't even accept a J-termer who is looking to switch careers. J-term MBA is meant for people who are going back to their existing industry, perhaps even to the same company they were working for (which may have funded their MBA).

FYI, registration for the host program will open up soon (next week or so). I heard back from member of Hermes society.
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Thanks, columbiawannabe. After reading brainhurt's post, without knowing, I re-read my essay #1 and kinda gave myself a pep talk that it ain't that bad :-D

I hope columbiawannabe's clarification is true. Otherwise, I will go into panic mode. FYI I'm an Sept ED applicant.
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

can you elaborate on the gloomy picture he painted for the career switchers? thanks.




The info session I went to, a gloomy picture was painted ONLY FOR J-TERM APPLICANTS who are career switchers. The reason being that they don't have the internship opportunity. Obviously a b-school isnt going to paint a gloomy picture for everyone who wants to be a career switcher-- thats why many people GO TO BSCHOOL! Don't sweat it lawgone....

Yeah, I thought they want to have people who come from different fields. if they forewarn career changers, i don't think it's good for their numbers. Overall, it's harder to get a job now, but that should not deter them from taking people who want to change career.
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I think this pertains to people who may have unrealistic goals or don't have the background to switch careers. For example, someone who is in marketing with absolutely no finance background may have trouble breaking into IB/VC as opposed to, let's say, a corporate attorney who is more knowledgeable about deals and so forth.

Speaking with adcoms, and based on my research, this pretty much applies to any top school. Schools need high employment statistics so schools are less willing to take unnecessary risks.
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Fair to say that there won't be any movement this week?

(Except for....knock on wood.....lawgone being admitted tomm in person)
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Fair to say that there won't be any movement this week?

(Except for....knock on wood.....lawgone being admitted tomm in person)

haha, thanks for the good fortune telling! I am just anxious about tomorrow. I will say they will probably start accepting people in earnest after labor day.
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Fair to say that there won't be any movement this week?

(Except for....knock on wood.....lawgone being admitted tomm in person)

haha, thanks for the good fortune telling! I am just anxious about tomorrow. I will say they will probably start accepting people in earnest after labor day.


What about interview invites in earnest? :)

Good luck tomm!
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Interesting. Thanks for the adcom info!
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Fair to say that there won't be any movement this week?

(Except for....knock on wood.....lawgone being admitted tomm in person)

haha, thanks for the good fortune telling! I am just anxious about tomorrow. I will say they will probably start accepting people in earnest after labor day.


What about interview invites in earnest? :)

Good luck tomm!

Isn't that implied? haha. Thanks
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The info session I went to, a gloomy picture was painted ONLY FOR J-TERM APPLICANTS who are career switchers. The reason being that they don't have the internship opportunity. Obviously a b-school isnt going to paint a gloomy picture for everyone who wants to be a career switcher-- thats why many people GO TO BSCHOOL! Don't sweat it lawgone....

For my info session, the message about career switchers was for regular term, not j-term. J-term is specifically meant for those who are staying in their field or entrepreneurs -- i.e. people who don't need an internship -- so they wouldn't suggest it for career switchers regardless of the economic environment.

I agree that that's why many people go to b-school, which is why I was so surprised by the message I got from him. Now, this individual was a very animated guy, so perhaps he got carried away and didn't mean for it to come across as strongly as it did (incidentally, I spoke to 2 people from the CBS session the next day at the Stern session, and they got the same message I did).

Now I don't think he meant that career changes are impossible. The context was his discussion of the importance of Essay 1. I think what he was trying to get across was that *if* you're a career changer, make sure you have an airtight plan for how you are going to make it happen, and if it's not realistic given the current economic climate then that will hurt your chances. He did give the example of PE, essentially saying that if you don't have a "hard-core finance" background then forget it. But as a career switcher myself, I certainly came away from it a bit discouraged. And I was encouraged by the message I got from Stern, which was that the job market will be very different in 3 years so they don't see it as an issue.

Also bear in mind that they made it clear that they're really pushing to increase their military presence, all of whom are career switchers, so it's not like they're totally against it.

@lawgonebusiness - given that Mary Miller wants to personally meet with you, I wouldn't worry about your case too much :)
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The info session I went to, a gloomy picture was painted ONLY FOR J-TERM APPLICANTS who are career switchers. The reason being that they don't have the internship opportunity. Obviously a b-school isnt going to paint a gloomy picture for everyone who wants to be a career switcher-- thats why many people GO TO BSCHOOL! Don't sweat it lawgone....

For my info session, the message about career switchers was for regular term, not j-term. J-term is specifically meant for those who are staying in their field or entrepreneurs -- i.e. people who don't need an internship -- so they wouldn't suggest it for career switchers regardless of the economic environment.

I agree that that's why many people go to b-school, which is why I was so surprised by the message I got from him. Now, this individual was a very animated guy, so perhaps he got carried away and didn't mean for it to come across as strongly as it did (incidentally, I spoke to 2 people from the CBS session the next day at the Stern session, and they got the same message I did).

Now I don't think he meant that career changes are impossible. The context was his discussion of the importance of Essay 1. I think what he was trying to get across was that *if* you're a career changer, make sure you have an airtight plan for how you are going to make it happen, and if it's not realistic given the current economic climate then that will hurt your chances. He did give the example of PE, essentially saying that if you don't have a "hard-core finance" background then forget it. But as a career switcher myself, I certainly came away from it a bit discouraged. And I was encouraged by the message I got from Stern, which was that the job market will be very different in 3 years so they don't see it as an issue.

Also bear in mind that they made it clear that they're really pushing to increase their military presence, all of whom are career switchers, so it's not like they're totally against it.

@lawgonebusiness - given that Mary Miller wants to personally meet with you, I wouldn't worry about your case too much :)

I think it's a bit of unrealistic to go to PE directly from b-school without any hardcore finance pre-mba. For the sake of reasonableness, anyone who really wants to do PE even right after mba should modestly state that IB is his/her first step right after b-school, otherwise you may strike the admission officers as being a little bit headstrong and not too aware of what's happening now (bloodbaths still).
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I think it's a bit of unrealistic to go to PE directly from b-school without any hardcore finance pre-mba. For the sake of reasonableness, anyone who really wants to do PE even right after mba should modestly state that IB is his/her first step right after b-school, otherwise you may strike the admission officers as being a little bit headstrong and not too aware of what's happening now (bloodbaths still).

I agree. PE was one example, but he talked about career changes more broadly.
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I went to the CBS info session on Monday. Here's my report:

- there were 3 adcom members there, but one guy did all the talking (the other two just started working)
- he said that essay 1 is the most important essay and suggested that it's the core of the application
- he went on at length about the importance of your goals being believable and realistic. In particular he painted a gloomy picture for career switchers and emphasized that if your goal is to change industries (esp anything finance) you'd better have a really good story about how you're going to do it. I was somewhat surprised by how much he harped on this.
- someone asked if there is anything different in the admissions process/philosophy under Mary Miller, and he said that the only change is that she's brought in a mandate to increase the # of veterans in the program
- he said that by the merit fellowship deadline in January they receive about 80% of the total applications for the year
- he said that about 60% of the J-term class are international students
- I asked him what motivated them to begin asking for a photo with the application, and he said he has no idea, but he only looks at it for 2 or 3 out of every 10 apps
- I asked how many people have been admitted so far for ED but he declined to give an answer.

Excellent intelligence.

This is a direct result of the ass-kicking that b-schools got the last two years. I'm sure it was rough at Columbia too and this is their reaction.
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