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Ding. After waitlist w/ interview last year.

On the surface I'm pretty upset since I put at least 3x the effort into my re-application as I did in my first try last year - only to get much, much less far along in the process. Especially frustrating is the fact that I had to put off my plans and shift things around to give myself the extra chance to apply one more time and give the application the effort that I felt I neglected to do so the first time. I thought I constructed a much better app, but to no avail. Anyway, I guess now for sure that even with a stronger effort, HBS is not in the cards for me. Time to move on to other options.

For those of you that got interviews, good luck with the process.
For my fellow dingers, best of luck with other applications.
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Based on the breakdown of your clients who have received invites vs those who havent, do you see any more patterns in terms of invites for domestic vs international, georgraphic areas, traditional applicant vs non-traditional, etc? Your insight is much appreciated, thanks.
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Yes, clients w. high gmats, high gpas and who work for traditional feeder organizations are getting interview invites, and clients w. profiles away from those markers are not. SHOCKING!!!!!!

Every year there is a new class of applicants going on the same roller coaster ride. First they listent to the adcom BS about 'anyone can get in,' then some 'experts' blather on about how essay execution, and especially what the significance of the accomplishment was to you IS CRITICAL, then kids write and write, deluding themselves that their personal and by now sandpapered story matters SOOOOOO MUCH.............................................. then results come out, and 8000 out of 9000 applicants feel SCREWED when lo and behold, despite adcom song and dance, and despite really personal and ga ga essays, and despite urban internet myths about FedEx guy who got in, the SAME SCHMUCKS AS ALWAYS GET IN.
Sandy what have you been hearing from other schools that you have clients at (i.e. Wharton, Stanford, Columbia)?


Good point. Sandy - would be great to hear your reaction on profiles selected to interview for Wharton, Columbia and even Stanford invites which seem to have trickled in.
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Ding. After waitlist w/ interview last year.

On the surface I'm pretty upset since I put at least 3x the effort into my re-application as I did in my first try last year - only to get much, much less far along in the process. Especially frustrating is the fact that I had to put off my plans and shift things around to give myself the extra chance to apply one more time and give the application the effort that I felt I neglected to do so the first time. I thought I constructed a much better app, but to no avail. Anyway, I guess now for sure that even with a stronger effort, HBS is not in the cards for me. Time to move on to other options.


I'm really sorry to hear that. That's a difficult situation. Hopefully the insight and maturity that accompanied that additional year of experience will make you an attractive candidate to other top programs (even if HBS wasn't able to recognize it). All the best.
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26 yrs old
~3.5 GPA at top 20 school/top 5 public school
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4 yrs at "big 3" Consulting firm
Mixed ethnicity/minority

I'm hoping they want to compare me to the broader strategy consulting pool that will be applying R2 and then make their decision. Fingers crossed!

Good luck to everyone on other applications.
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Looking at this thread, it would seem like HBS decided to decline virtually everyone. 0.3% acceptance rate. Must be some kind of competition with Stanford for the lower acceptance rate title.

Even, the waitlisted are bragging now..lol
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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.
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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.

And yet me and my friends mentioned above who beat those stats no prob and are PE/IB guys...ding, ding, ding
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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.

And yet me and my friends mentioned above who beat those stats no prob and are PE/IB guys...ding, ding, ding

When I was there on Tuesday for my interview, I attended the luncheon for interviewees (about twenty of us). The vast majority were PE/IB folks, along with a few consultants, a non-profit, and me.
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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.

And yet me and my friends mentioned above who beat those stats no prob and are PE/IB guys...ding, ding, ding

When I was there on Tuesday for my interview, I attended the luncheon for interviewees (about twenty of us). The vast majority were PE/IB folks, along with a few consultants, a non-profit, and me.
well that's disappointing...i'm officially no longer following this thread because nothing good can come of it...good luck
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I was interviewed in Poets & Quants today about how NOT to blow your HBS interview--I also talk about how Wharton and Stanford Interviews are new this year, in that they are going to a behavioral mode (Tell me about a time you 1.led a team 2. had a conflict w. co worker 3. disappointed your team 4. did something really great etc. )

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P&Q is a great blog, and also check out key interviews there w. Dee Leopold of HBS and Derrick Bolton of Stanford, the best interviews w. those two anyplace.
https://poetsandquants.com/2010/11/04/how-not-to-blow-your-harvard-interview/
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Sandy, your numbers for HBS seem off. They have a 90% yield for a class of about 900 students, so they accept roughly 1,000, not 1160. Also i thought HBS interviews roughly 25% of the applicants. Has that changed?



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hmmmm, not 'my' numbers, I'm the poet not the quant, author said data was taken fr. interviews w. adcoms, but it sounds like YOU may be right, and this was some kinda transposition snafu, I think HBS does take sorta 1000 to get to class of ~900-910.
They 'claim' year in and year out to interview 1800 kids -so chances of getting invite vary on number of applicants. As to post interview odds, This year, there are also 80-90 TAKEN seats for 2+2 kids, so post interview raw odds could be a "tranch" (love that word) worse, if they are interviewing 1800 kids for what is in reality ~920 admits not 1000, as was the case last year, before 2+2 arrivals.
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Hbsguru,
Any trends in the types of questions they have been asking at hbs this year? Same mix as usual (behavioral plus some 'tuff guy' questions you mentioned)?

Uprightcitizen and other folks who have had their interviews,
Could you share your experience?

Thank you!

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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.

And yet me and my friends mentioned above who beat those stats no prob and are PE/IB guys...ding, ding, ding

When I was there on Tuesday for my interview, I attended the luncheon for interviewees (about twenty of us). The vast majority were PE/IB folks, along with a few consultants, a non-profit, and me.

Thanks for the intel on the interviewee luncheon uprightcitizen. I don't think anyone is shocked to hear the interviewee pool was weighted toward folks from the elite professional services firms but I'm sure HBS gets THOUSANDS of applicants that have a high GMAT, a high GPA from prestigious undergrad, and work experience from the traditional feeder firms so Jmw125 has a good point - there has to be an additional dimension to these applicants that got them the interview. Last I heard (circa 2007) the Big 3 consulting firms (McK/Bain/BCG) only get about 50% of their HBS applicants admitted on a given year and these folks are generally near the top of the "typical" profile of an admitted HBS student.

I'd love to hear what other folks think is that extra dimension that allows the adcomm to navigate through thousands of "high GMAT, high GPA from prestigious school, work experience at a traditional HBS feeder firm" individuals to find their interview candidates, particularly Sandy. I'm going to suggest its the "awe" factor of their stories and career visions (as portrayed through their essays and letters of recommendation). I assume that the vast majority of HBS applicants, when asked, would assure you they've taken painstaking effort to tell the adcomm an one-of-a-kind/special story (I thought I did) yet in reality, some applicants will just do this better than others.

Imagine two people apply from an established and well-known VC firm and both fit Sandy's profile (high GMAT, high GPA from prestigious school, work experience at traditional HBS feeder firm). The first writes about his/her aspirations to return to his/her current employer after b-school and apply what he/she will learn at HBS to eventually rise to the rank of Managing Partner and turn the company into the premier VC firm in the industry. The second writes about his/her aspirations to combine his/her VC background with his/her passion for the arts (citing an undergraduate major in musical theatre perhaps) to transform how Broadway theater companies manage their operations and advocates looking at the business side of Broadway musicals through the lens of the VC discipline. Likely having a slew of applicants to choose from with stories comparable to the first applicant, I imagine the adcomm would be much more interested in giving the second applicant the interview slot before the first applicant. Just my two cents...
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thanks Mica, link for Ruth's story is [url]
https://poetsandquants.com/2010/11/02/my ... a6in-1973/[/url]
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Imagine two people apply from an established and well-known VC firm and both fit Sandy's profile (high GMAT, high GPA from prestigious school, work experience at traditional HBS feeder firm).
THE REALITY IS, BOTH USUALLY GET IN. ESP. IN VC AND PE. I ALSO THINK MCK, BAIN ACCEPT RATES ARE HIGHER THAN 50PCT. YOU ARE STILL IN MYTH LAND WHERE SOME GREAT ESSAY/GOALS CAN CRACK THE NUT. BELIEVE ME, I WISH THAT WERE TRUE. I'VE JUST DONE MOCK INTERVIEWS OF 30 OR SO KIDS FOR ROUND ONE, AND MANY OF THEM ARE JUST HIGH PERFORMERS ETC, AND IN SOME CASES, ACTUALLY, HAVE NOT SO GOOD ESSAYS IN TERMS OF EXECUTION ALTHO YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE REAL SOLID AND IMPRESSIVE BUT BY NO MEANS BARN BURNERS.
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Sandy's analysis is bang on. I know a couple of my PE/ IB friends with similar stats (710 GMAT, 3.7 GPA.....) who got in, while couple of others like me who are in a different industry have gotten dings. I know it is a broad generalization and there is not much point in speculating on this anymore, but it just feels like HBS wants to keep its class filled with guys from feeder companies so that they get hired back easily. Ironical how even HBS is mitigating the risk of dropping down the ranking now.

And yet me and my friends mentioned above who beat those stats no prob and are PE/IB guys...ding, ding, ding

But you have to look at how many people have similar stats and background who apply to HBS. They are called feeder companies for a reason. They send ton of people to the top business schools each year.

It is highly likely than having the typical stats and background is not enough to guarantee admission these days. How are your ECs? Do you do any community work? Maybe that's where the problem lies.
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Imagine two people apply from an established and well-known VC firm and both fit Sandy's profile (high GMAT, high GPA from prestigious school, work experience at traditional HBS feeder firm).
THE REALITY IS, BOTH USUALLY GET IN. ESP. IN VC AND PE. I ALSO THINK MCK, BAIN ACCEPT RATES ARE HIGHER THAN 50PCT. YOU ARE STILL IN MYTH LAND WHERE SOME GREAT ESSAY/GOALS CAN CRACK THE NUT. BELIEVE ME, I WISH THAT WERE TRUE. I'VE JUST DONE MOCK INTERVIEWS OF 30 OR SO KIDS FOR ROUND ONE, AND MANY OF THEM ARE JUST HIGH PERFORMERS ETC, AND IN SOME CASES, ACTUALLY, HAVE NOT SO GOOD ESSAYS IN TERMS OF EXECUTION ALTHO YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE REAL SOLID AND IMPRESSIVE BUT BY NO MEANS BARN BURNERS.

what is a barn burner?
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