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Conpanies might still file H-1b for those they already hired assuming good performance regardless of 100k fee
That we will know next year

We are in ross chat later year roughly 100 110 ross graduates weren't employed by now so assuming similar or worse numbers that's the group this year you want access to if they can land roles. I think tota class size was 400 ush and 30 percent were unemployed at 3 months roughly
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Also, the initial OPT is only 12 months. The second step isn’t automatic—you must apply for the 24-month STEM extension and wait for USCIS approval. USCIS can issue RFEs (Requests for Evidence), which may delay or complicate things. RFE chances are rising somewhat, especially under a tighter immigration policy and increased scrutiny.
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Also, the initial OPT is only 12 months. The second step isn’t automatic—you must apply for the 24-month STEM extension and wait for USCIS approval. USCIS can issue RFEs (Requests for Evidence), which may delay or complicate things. RFE chances are rising somewhat, especially under a tighter immigration policy and increased scrutiny.
Yes that issue often overlooked because in past they wanted immigration no one had problem now they have this tactic incase they want to apply pressure
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Duke, UCLA, Georgetown, and Wharton look like the International percentage has reduced consistently this year
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This is just PR but other countries are exploiting the vulnerabilities and opportunities created by the H1B mess.

https://apple.news/AR1gDaT3_S6CUc_PToxxlPA

Amazon already has had an office in Vancouver as a backup plan for any of their H1B denied talent, so no reason at all that office couldn’t expand further and other companies following suit.

Just like every tech company now has an office in Seattle so they can poach workers from Amazon and Microsoft, the same can be very true for Vancouver for example or no reason that Mexico City cannot become the new Silicon Valley (or plateau since it’s actually quite elevated).

This is more of a plan C or D but at least it’s nice to see somebody thinking strategically
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Thanks for sharing your candid perspective — it’s super valuable to hear from someone who’s actually hiring MBAs in this environment.

One point I wanted to clarify / get thoughts on: while I agree that in general it’s tough for MBAs with uncertain timelines and costs, do you see the calculus being different for roles in AI/ML? Specifically, for someone pursuing a Technical Product Manager role in AI/ML with a T15 MBA, would the outlook be any brighter compared to more generalist product management roles?

I’m asking since there’s been a lot of chatter that big tech and startups alike are still very hungry for AI/ML talent, and was curious if that makes a material difference in hiring appetite from your experience.
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Hey all. I was added on this chat by someone to offer a perspective. I am a T15 alum actually so I can comment on this. Take it or leave it but I am in a position where I hire MBAs

- as much as I want to be fair to all, it is v difficult to make a case for hiring MBA who come w a 3 year timeline and uncertain costs. This was already a painful thing in the past and now (don’t want to kill hope) but it’s not a sound financial decision to hire H1B in the near future. If anyone says otherwise they have a vested interest or sunk costs
- ⁠no one is going to actively put you in Vancouver office. It is not easy first of all. Second it’s a headache to plan. Third company lawyers already are hesitant to hire and then relocate. This concern is besides the costs etc. For existing employees they will do this (maybe) but not for future. Not to mention - not all of you can be hired into big tech. I didn’t even get an interview from any big tech when I was in MBA. And these were good times!
- ⁠personally known a few Yale MBAs who are shifting to EU for jobs. You might as well start there.

This has been long time coming for the US and has manifested only now. Try to be smart and hedge your bets by applying globally.

Best of luck
I think there’s no illusion that if the current executive order sticks, that nobody will be hiring H1B’s. And even if it doesn’t stick, the negative stigma is toxic and my argument is that the jobs themselves will be shifting elsewhere for MBA’s and skilled developers.

I don’t think anyone will be hiring in San Francisco and relocating to Vancouver. That’s not a realistic scenario. I think the jobs would be posted in Vancouver or in São Paulo or Mumbai to start with. If it’s cheaper and you get better talent and the only difference is the location... there are only political reasons not to do it.

This is predicting future Business which I’m not very good at but I feel it could work like a load balancing with servers - you have multiple employment centers and you recruit where you get the best ROI, assuming the job can be remote enough. Google already has offices in San Francisco and Seattle and LA and other cities. Why not have a couple in Mexico or Canada which they probably already do. So why not beef them up a bit?

Just looking consulting when you get the offer, you have a choice of offices and you can put your home country (usually nobody does)

And this is the case not only for MBA’s. You bringing in your best talent from your satellite offices is no longer a rational decision than maybe you be up your satellite offices so they become stronger.
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> I mean companies/firms will hire opts?
Hey all. I was added on this chat by someone to offer a perspective. I am a T15 alum actually so I can comment on this. Take it or leave it but I am in a position where I hire MBAs

- as much as I want to be fair to all, it is v difficult to make a case for hiring MBA who come w a 3 year timeline and uncertain costs. This was already a painful thing in the past and now (don’t want to kill hope) but it’s not a sound financial decision to hire H1B in the near future. If anyone says otherwise they have a vested interest or sunk costs
- ⁠no one is going to actively put you in Vancouver office. It is not easy first of all. Second it’s a headache to plan. Third company lawyers already are hesitant to hire and the. Relocate. This is besides the costs etc. for Existing employees they will do this but not for future. Not to mention - not all of you can be hired into big tech. I didn’t even get an interview from any big tech when I was in MBA. And these were good times!
- ⁠personally known a few Yale MBAs who are shifting to EU for jobs. You might as well start there
Thanks for the insights. So as an international student, if I say I just want to work for the 3yrs on OPT and don’t want sponsorship, still firms won’t want to hire me ? What’s your thought on this ?
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FYI - startups are not going to consider H1Bs - OPT is possible but for short term roles. For YC/fresh Series A companies you can get in for an intern but full time — next to impossible to justify H1B 100k if it sticks
I agree with you,...Until roughly Series B, most startups prioritize ICs with deep, unique skills to actually ship product—it’s a depth game, and MBAs typically don’t bring that unless they have a real technical or domain spike. I lead hiring at a Series A, and our U.S. headcount is very targeted: we hire a Head of AI (technical, PhD track) and a few GTM roles (Customer Success, BD, Sales). The bulk of technical roles—PM, software, DevOps, AI/ML engineering—are based in India or other Asian hubs to conserve burn and extend runway. At this stage, we simply can’t justify “luxury” U.S. expansion unless the role is truly critical. And with immigration uncertainty and cost layered on top, it’s even harder to make a case for non-critical tech roles in the U.S.

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FYI - O1 and EB1 visa are still fair play if you can get those. But they are meant for specific profiles of people. It’s not the end of the world for specialized skill set. But again don’t need MBA for that either. These VISAs are like 1% chance you get them within OPT. Personally I don’t know anyone who got these in OPT period
Personally, in 10 years in the U.S., I don’t know anyone who got one during OPT. I’ve hardly seen it—maybe a PhD from Stanford/MIT could pull it off, or you’d need a game-changing startup, serious fundraising, or a Forbes 30 Under 30-type profile
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I don’t understand your comment on satellite offices because most companies are now likely to hire locally for those offices so it shouldn’t affect MBA hiring in the US. I am here to offer a perspective for people considering US MBA programs.
Sure. My point is that if the executive order sticks, there will not be H1B MBA hiring in the US for international students.

I’ve heard potentially a loophole could be using L1 to bring people back, but I’m not sure I would put a lot of hope into that.

My take is that jobs will move elsewhere in the world. Doing completed the opposite of what this silly order was trying to do.

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Personally, in 10 years in the U.S., I don’t know anyone who got one during OPT. I’ve hardly seen it—maybe a PhD from Stanford/MIT could pull it off, or you’d need a game-changing startup, serious fundraising, or a Forbes 30 Under 30-type profile
Yes, you are spot on. With three years, out of which one is used up for waiting , you would have to apply during basically your first or end of your second year after MBA and that’s not real realistic for 99%.

I have known one person who could have gotten it during in 3.5 years but they slowed down the tempo because they got their H1B. You definitely have to have a very good job, but based what I’ve heard from the process, if you have the income to support your exceptional status, the rest is pretty straightforward to put together. (it’s still a hassle because you have to join various organizations, become a judge for competitions get published in newspapers about and have people write articles about you, etc but attorneys who specialize in this, they’ve done this so many times that they have all the right contacts).

And a lot more people push this route, the waiting times will only increase.
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