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Based on your argument, it appears that that you are probably OK with LSD in elementary schools and paedophiles on the net. We as humans have the maturity to evaluate the pros/cons of any particular proposal to reach a rational decision. Let's not confuse apples with oranges.



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US has one of the highest crime rates among developed nation. I think it is naive to assume that gun control will have no effect on fatal violence. Yes, people can still kill with knives. But killing with knives requires more skill and the killer needs to move his fat ass for hours to kill 20 people. I am usually a proponent of freedom of expression. Not in this instance.

What if he used his car? I bet someone could kill a lot more people by driving into a crowd with an SUV than with virtually any gun. Should we go ahead and get rid of those?

Off the top of my head, the most prolific serial killers have not used guns. If you think about Dahmer, Gacey, BTK, Green River, etc., their killings were precipitated by guile and misinformation. Perhaps we should outlaw all forms of communication - that would assure is that serial killers couldn't make contact with their victims.
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If there is nothing wrong in owning small arms then why RPGs, mortars and tanks are banned?

Why do you lock your house? So that people like us don't become thieves but no lock can stop a thief. Same is true with guns.
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Deadly shooting at US university Updated on: 16 Apr 2007, 13:57
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This is an extremely personal issue for me, and I don't know if I can write well enough to do justice to what I want to say. I know I don't post much, but I feel the need to say something. I graduated from high school in 1999 in Littleton, CO. I had friends at Columbine.

There are at least 32 people dead, and many more injured. 31 people cut down by a madman. 31 students and professors - 31 sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. That university community is going through HELL right now. There are no words to describe what the friends and families of the victims are going through.

I'm not trying to belittle or criticize this debate. It's an important issue and I don't know what the answer is, if there is one. But there will be plenty of time in the coming days and weeks to debate laws and rights, to place blame and argue points. I just want to ask that today, you take a minute or two to truly mourn what has happened and feel for those who are suffering today.

That's all. Sorry to interrupt.
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Deadly shooting at US university 16 Apr 2007, 13:29
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This is an extremely personal issue for me, and I don't know if I can write well enough to do justice to what I want to say. I know I don't post much, but I feel the need to say something. I graduated from high school in 1999 in Littleton, CO. I had friends at Columbine.

There are at least 32 people dead, and many more injured. 31 people cut down by a madman. 31 students and professors - 31 sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. That university community is going through HELL right now. There are no words to describe what the friends and families of the victims are going through.

I'm not trying to belittle or criticize this debate. It's an important issue and I don't know what the answer is, if there is one. But there will be plenty of time in the coming days and weeks to debate laws and rights, to place blame and argue points. I just want to ask that today, you take a minute or two to truly mourn what has happened and feel for those who are suffering today.

That's all. Sorry to interrupt.
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Thank You...

I started to post the very same thought but could not find the right way to do so...

You have done so thoughtfully and perfectly..

What a sad day...
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This is an extremely personal issue for me, and I don't know if I can write well enough to do justice to what I want to say. I know I don't post much, but I feel the need to say something. I graduated from high school in 1999 in Littleton, CO. I had friends at Columbine.

There are at least 32 people dead, and many more injured. 31 people cut down by a madman. 31 students and professors - 31 sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers. That university community is going through HELL right now. There are no words to describe what the friends and families of the victims are going through.

I'm not trying to belittle or criticize this debate. It's an important issue and I don't know what the answer is, if there is one. But there will be plenty of time in the coming days and weeks to debate laws and rights, to place blame and argue points. I just want to ask that today, you take a minute or two to truly mourn what has happened and feel for those who are suffering today.

That's all. Sorry to interrupt.
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Well said.
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Deadly shooting at US university Updated on: 16 Apr 2007, 19:42
Originally posted by GMATT73 on 16 Apr 2007, 17:34.
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Based on your argument, it appears that that you are probably OK with LSD in elementary schools and paedophiles on the net. We as humans have the maturity to evaluate the pros/cons of any particular proposal to reach a rational decision. Let's not confuse apples with oranges.



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US has one of the highest crime rates among developed nation. I think it is naive to assume that gun control will have no effect on fatal violence. Yes, people can still kill with knives. But killing with knives requires more skill and the killer needs to move his fat ass for hours to kill 20 people. I am usually a proponent of freedom of expression. Not in this instance.

What if he used his car? I bet someone could kill a lot more people by driving into a crowd with an SUV than with virtually any gun. Should we go ahead and get rid of those?

Off the top of my head, the most prolific serial killers have not used guns. If you think about Dahmer, Gacey, BTK, Green River, etc., their killings were precipitated by guile and misinformation. Perhaps we should outlaw all forms of communication - that would assure is that serial killers couldn't make contact with their victims.
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Not sure if you recall the incident, but about six years ago in Osaka, Japan a deranged lunatic CLIMBED OVER a 7' high fence and barged onto a school campus brutally stabbing 12 students to death with a household kitchen knife (several others were seriously injured).

The point is, if somebody wants to commit homicide on a grand scale, there are innumerable ways of doing so; even if we did ban guns, ammunition, install metal detectors, employed more police, erected higher walls, etc.

It's the motive behind the attacks that really needs to be isolated before we can take action to reduce the likihood of a similiar event from reoccuring.
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How many violent crimes has Japan had in the last 50 years ? Is it legal to
possess concealed semi-automatic guns there ? The number of shooting related crimes in cities like Oakland are unimaginable. It stands at around one homicide every 2-3 days.
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