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re-wording a question.

say it says solve for x^2
(1) x = Sq root (5x-1)

the answer says to take square both sides and get x^2=5x-1, than set it up as a quadratic equation and solve.

normally, everything under the square root has to be positive, so you'd basically get x^2 = l 5x - 1 l
so technically it "should" be insufficient, however, since x^2 can only be be 0 or positive, than l 5x-1 l can't be negative, so it is sufficient.

say if the question was to solve for x and (1) 4 = sq root (5x - 1), than you'd have two solutions (x=1 and x= -3/5), but you can eliminate the negative as X can only be positive.


is my thinking correct?

x² can only be positive, but X could still be either positive or negative. The thing here is that delta (b - 4AC) is positive, which means X has two possible values (or roots). I've seen pratice questions where the difference between the roots was asked, not the root values themselves. You should double check what the question is actually asking. I believe the only case in which X has only 1 value is when delta is 0.
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re-wording a question.

say it says solve for x^2
(1) x = Sq root (5x-1)

the answer says to take square both sides and get x^2=5x-1, than set it up as a quadratic equation and solve.

normally, everything under the square root has to be positive, so you'd basically get x^2 = l 5x - 1 l
so technically it "should" be insufficient, however, since x^2 can only be be 0 or positive, than l 5x-1 l can't be negative, so it is sufficient.

say if the question was to solve for x and (1) 4 = sq root (5x - 1), than you'd have two solutions (x=1 and x= -3/5), but you can eliminate the negative as X can only be positive.


is my thinking correct?

Here are the key points about squares and square roots:

1.
\(x^2 = 4\)

The equation has 2 roots: x = 2 or -2.
Logical since either value of 2 or -2 will give 4 when squared.

2.
\(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only

Now, this is a bit odd, right? If you square -2, you will get 4 too. Hence \(\sqrt{4}\) should be 2 or -2. But it isn't. And here is the reason: When we write \(\sqrt{x}\), this is the principal square root of the number. x has two roots, the positive square root (or principle square root) written as \(\sqrt{x}\) and negative square root written as \(-\sqrt{x}\). So whenever we write \(\sqrt{x}\), it means we are talking about positive square root only. And that is the reason \(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only.

3.
\((\sqrt{x})^2 = x\)

We don't have to worry about positive negative here since x is under square root. It will be positive only.
\(\sqrt{-4}\) is not defined.

4.
\(\sqrt{x^2} = |x|\)

Again, this has to do with the principal square root concept. Square root of x^2 should be x (which could have been either positive or negative such as
\(\sqrt{(-2)^2}\) which is fine. But when you take \(\sqrt{4}\), you get only 2. Hence you need to put the absolute value sign around x. Doesn't matter whether originally x was positive or negative - after coming out of the square root, it will be positive only.


Hi VeritasKarishma,

In this case, if we have \sqrt{(x+y)^2} where x=5 and y=6 then should we take it as \sqrt{11^2} or \sqrt{121} - As per your rules stated above, in the first case, answer would be +11/-11 whereas in the second case if i solve for 11^2 and get 121 and then take the root, then the answer would be only +11.

Could you please help here?
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re-wording a question.

say it says solve for x^2
(1) x = Sq root (5x-1)

the answer says to take square both sides and get x^2=5x-1, than set it up as a quadratic equation and solve.

normally, everything under the square root has to be positive, so you'd basically get x^2 = l 5x - 1 l
so technically it "should" be insufficient, however, since x^2 can only be be 0 or positive, than l 5x-1 l can't be negative, so it is sufficient.

say if the question was to solve for x and (1) 4 = sq root (5x - 1), than you'd have two solutions (x=1 and x= -3/5), but you can eliminate the negative as X can only be positive.


is my thinking correct?

Here are the key points about squares and square roots:

1.
\(x^2 = 4\)

The equation has 2 roots: x = 2 or -2.
Logical since either value of 2 or -2 will give 4 when squared.

2.
\(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only

Now, this is a bit odd, right? If you square -2, you will get 4 too. Hence \(\sqrt{4}\) should be 2 or -2. But it isn't. And here is the reason: When we write \(\sqrt{x}\), this is the principal square root of the number. x has two roots, the positive square root (or principle square root) written as \(\sqrt{x}\) and negative square root written as \(-\sqrt{x}\). So whenever we write \(\sqrt{x}\), it means we are talking about positive square root only. And that is the reason \(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only.

3.
\((\sqrt{x})^2 = x\)

We don't have to worry about positive negative here since x is under square root. It will be positive only.
\(\sqrt{-4}\) is not defined.

4.
\(\sqrt{x^2} = |x|\)

Again, this has to do with the principal square root concept. Square root of x^2 should be x (which could have been either positive or negative such as
\(\sqrt{(-2)^2}\) which is fine. But when you take \(\sqrt{4}\), you get only 2. Hence you need to put the absolute value sign around x. Doesn't matter whether originally x was positive or negative - after coming out of the square root, it will be positive only.


Hi VeritasKarishma,

In this case, if we have \sqrt{(x+y)^2} where x=5 and y=6 then should we take it as \sqrt{11^2} or \sqrt{121} - As per your rules stated above, in the first case, answer would be +11/-11 whereas in the second case if i solve for 11^2 and get 121 and then take the root, then the answer would be only +11.

Could you please help here?

When you take the square root of a square, you get absolute value.

\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = |x|\)

This means that if x = 11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)
and
if x = -11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)


Mind you, if you are given that
\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11 = |x|\), this means that x can be 11 or -11.
Because when you solve |x| = 11, you get 11 or -11.

Pay attention to what you are given and what is asked.
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When you take the square root of a square, you get absolute value.

\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = |x|\)

This means that if x = 11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)
and
if x = -11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)


Mind you, if you are given that
\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11 = |x|\), this means that x can be 11 or -11.
Because when you solve |x| = 11, you get 11 or -11.

Pay attention to what you are given and what is asked. [/quote]

Hi VeritasKarishma,

I'm still a little confused. Here is the question that I came across (attached)

After solving till the second last step, I'm left with root of 11^2 + root of 1^2. As per the principal root rule, I got 11 + 1 = 12 as the answer, however, the question says that the answer is 10. While they're using a different method, can you please help me understand where I'm going wrong with my method?

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When you take the square root of a square, you get absolute value.

\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = |x|\)

This means that if x = 11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)
and
if x = -11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)


Mind you, if you are given that
\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11 = |x|\), this means that x can be 11 or -11.
Because when you solve |x| = 11, you get 11 or -11.

Pay attention to what you are given and what is asked.

Hi VeritasKarishma,

I'm still a little confused. Here is the question that I came across (attached)

After solving till the second last step, I'm left with root of 11^2 + root of 1^2. As per the principal root rule, I got 11 + 1 = 12 as the answer, however, the question says that the answer is 10. While they're using a different method, can you please help me understand where I'm going wrong with my method?

Thanks,
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What is the source of this question? The solution is incorrect. Answer will be 12 (as you got).
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When you take the square root of a square, you get absolute value.

\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = |x|\)

This means that if x = 11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)
and
if x = -11, \(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11\)


Mind you, if you are given that
\(\sqrt{(x)^2} = 11 = |x|\), this means that x can be 11 or -11.
Because when you solve |x| = 11, you get 11 or -11.

Pay attention to what you are given and what is asked.

Hi VeritasKarishma,

I'm still a little confused. Here is the question that I came across (attached)

After solving till the second last step, I'm left with root of 11^2 + root of 1^2. As per the principal root rule, I got 11 + 1 = 12 as the answer, however, the question says that the answer is 10. While they're using a different method, can you please help me understand where I'm going wrong with my method?

Thanks,
Pearl

What is the source of this question? The solution is incorrect. Answer will be 12 (as you got).[/quote]


Thanks for the clarification VeritasKarishma , this got me questioning my fundamentals. Also, got this question from a downloaded pdf of Manhattan Review (Q12) - https://www.manhattanreview.com/downloa ... D27-M8.pdf
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Here are the key points about squares and square roots:

1.
\(x^2 = 4\)

The equation has 2 roots: x = 2 or -2.
Logical since either value of 2 or -2 will give 4 when squared.

2.
\(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only

Now, this is a bit odd, right? If you square -2, you will get 4 too. Hence \(\sqrt{4}\) should be 2 or -2. But it isn't. And here is the reason: When we write \(\sqrt{x}\), this is the principal square root of the number. x has two roots, the positive square root (or principle square root) written as \(\sqrt{x}\) and negative square root written as \(-\sqrt{x}\). So whenever we write \(\sqrt{x}\), it means we are talking about positive square root only. And that is the reason \(\sqrt{4} = 2\) only.

3.
\((\sqrt{x})^2 = x\)

We don't have to worry about positive negative here since x is under square root. It will be positive only.
\(\sqrt{-4}\) is not defined.

4.
\(\sqrt{x^2} = |x|\)

Again, this has to do with the principal square root concept. Square root of x^2 should be x (which could have been either positive or negative such as
\(\sqrt{(-2)^2}\) which is fine. But when you take \(\sqrt{4}\), you get only 2. Hence you need to put the absolute value sign around x. Doesn't matter whether originally x was positive or negative - after coming out of the square root, it will be positive only.
This is the most underrated post I have read on gmatclub! The difference between \((\sqrt{x})^2\) and \(\sqrt{x^2}\) is so important to understand for the GMAT.
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