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Bunuel,

Thanks for the explaination, I marked D for this question and below was my method

1 -> Admission Fee be X and total number of people attended be N so initially Total = XN

Now, with St.1, we have 2N * (X+20) = 3XN > 20XN + 40N = 3XN > 40N = XN > X = 40. Hence sufficient. What did I do wrong here?

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Bunuel,

Thanks for the explaination, I marked D for this question and below was my method

1 -> Admission Fee be X and total number of people attended be N so initially Total = XN

Now, with St.1, we have 2N * (X+20) = 3XN > 20XN + 40N = 3XN > 40N = XN > X = 40. Hence sufficient. What did I do wrong here?

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First of all, we need to find n, not x.

Next, your equation is not correct. (1) says "If the admission fee had been raised to $20" not "by $20". Thus it should be 20*2n = 3xn.
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Dear Bunuel

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Number of attendees = n;
Fee = x.

(1) If the admission fee had been raised to $20 and twice as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been three times greater.

20*2n = 3xn --> x = 40/3. Not sufficient.

why x can not be 40/3 ? (It appeared okay to me, since a fee can be 13.33)

can you please tell me, what am i missing here ?
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Dear Bunuel

You wrote,
Number of attendees = n;
Fee = x.

(1) If the admission fee had been raised to $20 and twice as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been three times greater.

20*2n = 3xn --> x = 40/3. Not sufficient.

why x can not be 40/3 ? (It appeared okay to me, since a fee can be 13.33)

can you please tell me, what am i missing here ?

When combining we can get that x IS 40/3, but we need the value of n (the number of attendees), which we cannot determine.
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Thanks, I got that.
Just tell me one more thing, does this problem belong to the criteria "two variable, one equation.. no solution..." ?
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hey Bunuel
i have a slight doubt in this question
in the first statement it says the collection would have been 3 times greater
what does 3 times greater mean?
i initially wrote => XN+3XN
then Changed it to 3XN as it looked messier in the first place.
can you help me out here..
thanks
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Abhishek009 Need some help with this one.
This question although is straight forward but i cannot seem to get the statement 1

I have this doubt for over a 1 months now ..!!! Bunuel is a busy man ;)
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Abhishek009 Need some help with this one.
This question although is straight forward but i cannot seem to get the statement 1

I have this doubt for over a 1 months now ..!!! Bunuel is a busy man ;)

Hi stonecold,

3 different ways -
1)two times greater than MEANS 2x BUT will be x+200% of x if it reads y is 200% greater than x
2) two times as many MEANS 2x again
3) BUT two times more than MEANS x+2x = 3x


Hope it clears the doubt

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Cool ..! I get the difference now .!

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Cool ..! I get the difference now .!

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Hi,
i think there was a typo in my post above --
two times Greater than should be same as more than so it should be x+2x = 3x..

examples--
x is 200% more/ greater than y -- x = y+2y..
But if it says x is two times greater than y it will be x=2y..
x is 2 times as much as y -- x=2y
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Cool ..! I get the difference now .!

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Hi,
i think there was a typo in my post above --
two times Greater than should be same as more than so it should be x+2x = 3x..

examples--
x is 200% more/ greater than y -- x = y+2y..
But if it says x is two times greater than y it will be x=2y..
x is 2 times as much as y -- x=2y


THATS What my Doubt is..
Okay so i am more confused now.

Statement 1 of yours is not clear chetan
I have no doubt in one and two.
What does y is two times greater than x represent mathematically

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Cool ..! I get the difference now .!

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Hi,
i think there was a typo in my post above --
two times Greater than should be same as more than so it should be x+2x = 3x..

examples--
x is 200% more/ greater than y -- x = y+2y..
But if it says x is two times greater than y it will be x=2y..
x is 2 times as much as y -- x=2y


THATS What my Doubt is..
Okay so i am more confused now.

Statement 1 of yours is not clear chetan
I have no doubt in one and two.
What does y is two times greater than x represent mathematically

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Hi,

let me talk of greater than, as I have seen its usage..
greater than is used to compare numbers , % etc..

lets see the %..
x is 20% greater than y MEANS x = y+0.2y..
x is 100% greater than y means x= y+y =2y..
here the value of % greater than is added over and above initial value..


Now numbers in terms of radius, height etc..
height is two times greater than radius of the cylinder..
h = 2r..
Prob of doing x is two times greater than prob of doing y..
so prob of x = 2* prob of doing y..

so these are the two different variations which I wanted to speak of..
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Every attendee at a monster truck rally paid the same admission fee. How many people attended the rally?

Number of attendees = n;
Fee = x.

(1) If the admission fee had been raised to $20 and twice as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been three times greater.

20*2n = 3xn --> x = 40/3. Not sufficient.


(2) If the admission fee had been raised to $30 and two-thirds as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been 150% of the actual admission fees collected.

30*2/3*n = 3/2*xn --> x = 40/3. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) From both statements we have that x = 40/3, which is not sufficient to get the value of n.

Answer: E.

Hope it's clear.

Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"

If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y

Here, in the above question based on statement (1) shouldn't it be 4xn instead of 3xn as the phrase uses the term "three times greater than" instead of "three times" alone.
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Hi, I have an issue with the phrase "greater than"

If I say X is twice of Y, then it should mean --> X = 2Y
If I say X is two times greater than Y, shouldn't it mean --> X = 3Y

There seems to be some confusion about this earlier in this thread. The phrase "X is 2 times greater than Y" simply means that X = 2Y. It's understandable that this might seem confusing, because if instead we say "X is 200% greater than Y" we definitely mean that X = 3Y, but this all boils down to idiomatic usage in English. If you think of smaller numbers, it might be clear this is how the phrase is used in the language (there's a reason you've never heard anyone say "X is 1 times greater than Y" to mean that X is twice as big as Y), and it's also what the dictionary says, as quoted at this link:

https://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61774.html
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I don’t understand... what you showed us, you can cancel the x. So you can solve for y. Why can’t you plug in for y and solve for x, then solve for n?

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Every attendee at a monster truck rally paid the same admission fee. How many people attended the rally?

(1) If the admission fee had been raised to $20 and twice as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been three times greater.

(2) If the admission fee had been raised to $30 and two-thirds as many people had attended, the total admission fees collected would have been 150% of the actual admission fees collected.

We are asked to find the real number of people that attended the rally. In each statement, we can use "n" to represent the number of people, and "p" to represent the actual price of each ticket.

Let's start by testing Statement 1). We can translate this sentence into the equation 15*2n=3pn. We have two variables outstanding. We need to find "n", but we don't know what p is. We can't cancel out n. Statement 1 is INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2). Similarly, we can translate this sentence into the equation 22.50*(2/3)n=(3/2)pn. Like Statement 1), we still have two variables. INSUFFICIENT.

Let's try to combine Statement 1) and Statement 2). We have 15*2n=3pn and 22.5*(2/3)n=(3/2)pn. Let's break each statement down to its core by simplifying them. The first statement turns into 30n=3pn. The second statement turns into 15n=1.5pn. Wait a minute, we need to use algebraic theory to recognize that these two equations are identical. If we multiply the second equation by 2, we get 30n=3pn, which is identical to the revised Statement 1). We can't solve a system of equations with two identical equations, so C is INSUFFICIENT.

The answer is E.
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