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The thing that makes the most sense to me is the commonly accepted status that Havard and Stanford are the two best, followed by Wharton and Chicago, and then by Kellogg. Some people put Kellogg ahead of Chicago and next to Wharton.

In other words, within the ultra-elite top cluster:

1st: H/S
2nd: W/C
3rd: K
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Its sort of nuanced, but for us East Coast and international folks its more like:

H/S
W
K/GSB/MIT
CBS

W's rep is probably a notch above that of the other 4 schools in the ultra elite and I think their placement profile shows that recruiters feel the same way.
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The thing that makes the most sense to me is the commonly accepted status that Havard and Stanford are the two best, followed by Wharton and Chicago, and then by Kellogg. Some people put Kellogg ahead of Chicago and next to Wharton.

In other words, within the ultra-elite top cluster:

1st: H/S
2nd: W/C
3rd: K

Its sort of nuanced, but for us East Coast and international folks its more like:

H/S
W
K/GSB/MIT
CBS

W's rep is probably a notch above that of the other 4 schools in the ultra elite and I think their placement profile shows that recruiters feel the same way.
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Hogwash! I think the appropriate ranking is:

#1: Wherever I end up
#2: The other school I was accepted to
#3: Whatever the other school I was accept to is
#4: Everywhere else.
#50: Whatever school denied me

At least thats what I tell myself. LOL!
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I never said don't take a look at the rankings to get a rough idea of the best schools. Don't do decimal level analysis..it is meaningless. If you bother to read my next post, I talk about the "clustered" ranking proposed my Hjort and it makes a whole lot sense.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with rankings ?

When I asked the COO of the bank I work for (one of the top20 in the world, with an award winning Derivatives IB arm) about MBAs, I got a one line reply.

Go to a top ten school or don't bother going.

When people of that power, in this kind of institution think like that, then if I don't care about rankings then I am wasting my time and money.

You can argue this is self perpetuating all you like, and I would agree. But it is the game. If you want to head into a different industry than me, or want to start your own company, this may not be quite so strongly the case.

There may be better systems, but the simple truth is that my future boss will be looking at the FT, WSJ or BusinessWeek.
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Why is Kellogg so low?
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I think they are starting to be typecast as a "marketing" school. They need to hire some nobel prize winners.
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who cares -- INSEAD is 7, woohoo! ;) personally I think INSEAD should be above LBS, but then that's me... and you all know why I'd say that.
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who cares -- INSEAD is 7, woohoo! ;) personally I think INSEAD should be above LBS, but then that's me... and you all know why I'd say that.
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I don't think you'd find alot of people to disagree with you. Insead is the number one school in Europe. As someone who wants to work in Europe after b-school I would only chose H/S/W over Insead.
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who cares -- INSEAD is 7, woohoo! ;) personally I think INSEAD should be above LBS, but then that's me... and you all know why I'd say that.
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INSEAD never was and never will be above LBS :banana :wink:
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I suppose I am biased, but I feel that the cluster system captures the importance of reputation without getting mired in the "horse racing" aspect of the league tables. I see little value in arguing whether a given school is "hot" or "on the decline" based on the flavor of the week ranking. Of course, if all of the rankings show a consistent decline that appears to be tied to a bona fide problem (e.g., career services office that alienates recruiters) I would want to investigate further.

At least when it comes to Investment Banking, the evidence appears to be rather consistent with conventional wisdom regarding rank. While an MBA is not necessary, the MBAs that are present are overwhelmingly awarded by from the top cluster schools (UE,E,TCE).

https://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41497
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Paul,

Want to meet me on the streets later? >:/ :evil: :x
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Bingo Hjort ! It's good that you don't have a rankings magazine...they won't sell :).

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I suppose I am biased, but I feel that the cluster system captures the importance of reputation without getting mired in the "horse racing" aspect of the league tables. I see little value in arguing whether a given school is "hot" or "on the decline" based on the flavor of the week ranking. Of course, if all of the rankings show a consistent decline that appears to be tied to a bona fide problem (e.g., career services office that alienates recruiters) I would want to investigate further.

At least when it comes to Investment Banking, the evidence appears to be rather consistent with conventional wisdom regarding rank. While an MBA is not necessary, the MBAs that are present are overwhelmingly awarded by from the top cluster schools (UE,E,TCE).

https://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41497
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Why is everyone so obsessed with rankings ?

When I asked the COO of the bank I work for (one of the top20 in the world, with an award winning Derivatives IB arm) about MBAs, I got a one line reply.

Go to a top ten school or don't bother going.

When people of that power, in this kind of institution think like that, then if I don't care about rankings then I am wasting my time and money.

You can argue this is self perpetuating all you like, and I would agree. But it is the game. If you want to head into a different industry than me, or want to start your own company, this may not be quite so strongly the case.

There may be better systems, but the simple truth is that my future boss will be looking at the FT, WSJ or BusinessWeek.
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