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What's the environment look like for Part-Time MBA's trying to land an offer for a GM Rotational program? I may have the opportunity to get an employer sponsorship without a work commitment post-MBA, so I'm looking at Chicago GSB(Booth)/Northwestern or UCLA.

I'm currently working in Aerospace (Program Management), and I've found that both Lockheed and Northrop Grumman have LDP's. If I can get my MBA for free AND land a sweet job post-MBA, that would be a great deal.

Any thoughts? (Riverripper - Have any of your PT buddies done this?)
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Honestly, you probably aren’t going to find many programs with extremely strong energy curriculums, there just aren’t tons of students that go into it. Yes there is a lot of interest but not much follow through. Most of the top schools send >1 to maybe 3% of their class to energy and those are often heavily weighted in the big oil area.

I'm not sure this is completely correct, as I don't believe it has as much to do with top schools as it does with the industry. First I don't believe that most energy companies truly value an MBA (I work for one of the biggest in the world). Second unless you are doing energy consulting no one around here really cares where you got your MBA from. To that point if you want to look at schools to get you into the energy industry it is very simple - Energy Companies recruit regionally!

I can tell you that based out of Houston almost all the people I work with went to UT - Texas A&M - University of Houston - Rice - LSU. I know the mix at our other major locations in the US are different. I also think these schools do a very good job of catering to Energy companies (who provide them with ridiculous amounts of money to help shape curriculum). So while these aren't really top name schools, most offer industry classes and great job placements.
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Honestly, you probably aren’t going to find many programs with extremely strong energy curriculums, there just aren’t tons of students that go into it. Yes there is a lot of interest but not much follow through. Most of the top schools send >1 to maybe 3% of their class to energy and those are often heavily weighted in the big oil area.

I'm not sure this is completely correct, as I don't believe it has as much to do with top schools as it does with the industry. First I don't believe that most energy companies truly value an MBA (I work for one of the biggest in the world). Second unless you are doing energy consulting no one around here really cares where you got your MBA from. To that point if you want to look at schools to get you into the energy industry it is very simple - Energy Companies recruit regionally!

I can tell you that based out of Houston almost all the people I work with went to UT - Texas A&M - University of Houston - Rice - LSU. I know the mix at our other major locations in the US are different. I also think these schools do a very good job of catering to Energy companies (who provide them with ridiculous amounts of money to help shape curriculum). So while these aren't really top name schools, most offer industry classes and great job placements.

I think there are many industries/regions and companies where local MBAs are valued equally to M7 programs. Almost anything in Texas is a great example. Lazard (one of the most prestigous investment banks out there) recruits from Texas and Rice for their Houston office. Almost all of the big banks and consulting firms will recruit from Texas/Rice as well.
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FYI, locations for Abbott's MDP program:

Pharmaceutical: Abbott International (AI)- Abbott Park, Illinois and global affiliate locations* Pharmaceutical Products Division (PPD)- Abbott Park, Illinois*
Nutrition:
Abbott Nutrition (AN)- Columbus, Ohio
Abbott Nutrition International (ANI)- Vernon Hills, Illinois and global affiliate locations
Medical Devices:
Abbott Spine (AS)- Austin, Texas
Abbott Vascular (AV)- Redwood City & Santa Clara, California Abbott
Diabetes Care (ADC)- Alameda, California Abbott Animal Health (AAH)- Gurnee, Illinois Diagnostics:
Abbott Diagnostics Division (ADD)- Abbott Park, Illinois*
Abbott Molecular Diagnostics (AMD)- Des Plaines, Illinois
Abbott Point of Care (APOC)- East Windsor, New Jersey * Corporate Headquarters
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Honestly, you probably aren’t going to find many programs with extremely strong energy curriculums, there just aren’t tons of students that go into it. Yes there is a lot of interest but not much follow through. Most of the top schools send >1 to maybe 3% of their class to energy and those are often heavily weighted in the big oil area.

I'm not sure this is completely correct, as I don't believe it has as much to do with top schools as it does with the industry. First I don't believe that most energy companies truly value an MBA (I work for one of the biggest in the world). Second unless you are doing energy consulting no one around here really cares where you got your MBA from. To that point if you want to look at schools to get you into the energy industry it is very simple - Energy Companies recruit regionally!

There is a difference between having strong relationships with companies and a curriculum that targets it. However, your core skills are what matter and those you will learn at any top school.

Some major energy companies definitely do value MBAs. They may hire lots of MBA's from different schools but they use top schools to feed the high profile jobs. Chevron actively recruits for their finance and marketing at only a handful of top schools. However, they dont take many people, only a half dozen or so a year. Of course they do accept applications from people at any school but your chances are a lot lower. Exxon and BP also recruit at only a handful of schools for certain positions.

There is a big difference between getting hired and getting the best starting positions. It is these positions that lead to the top. Its like Goldman Sachs recruits from tons of schools but some of those are for back office gigs that dont have the growth potential of the positions people coming from the top schools get.

However, certain fields definitely place and emphasis on prior experience and ties to that location. Energy is definitely one place that it helps to have a background that relates to it and/or you have strong reasons for being where the job will be. One thing to remember though is a lot of these top positions often require geographic mobility, many include long term assignments overseas so the regional ties are less important than you would think.
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I'd second everything River said.

Very few companies will be located right in the big cities. The ones that are tend to be CPG's, Financial Products or software (ie Unilever, Diageo, Amex, etc). This is somewhat less true if you are looking in Europe.

A lot of the companies with programs will have different rotational program silos - ie finance, marketing and GM. Corp finance rotationals and marketing will have a much better chance of being in a better location. GM rotationals can be all over the place - geographic flexibility is a must. As the goal of GM rotational is to get you on a fast track to real P/L responsibility, and you have to get dirty to do so.

Also - not all rotational programs are equal. You really need to find out what your exit options are, who within the company sponsors it, etc. A little digging and you'll find this out quick. I would also say this is true of strategy positions within companies as well.

Based on your background, some companies will work with you to find positions that don't normally go to fresh mba's. (ie upstream oil divisions would be a stretch without related prior experience, etc, etc).
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How hard is it to get into strategy positions in a technology company from a top 10 school without a consulting background?
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I ran across some inside to share, Intl hired 15 employess for thier ALP program:
UC Berkley, Haas 3
UCLA, Anderson 1
Univ. of Mich, Ross 2
Chicago 1
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MIT, Sloan 2
Univ of Penn, Wharton 3
Northwestern, Kellogg 2

I believe a few of the rotation opportunities were in China/Malaysia/Vietnam. Most Intl expats to Asian countries get their own drivers, cause they don't want you to drive in Asia.
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I ran across some inside to share, Intl hired 15 employess for thier ALP program:
UC Berkley, Haas 3
UCLA, Anderson 1
Univ. of Mich, Ross 2
Chicago 1
Stanford 1
MIT, Sloan 2
Univ of Penn, Wharton 3
Northwestern, Kellogg 2

I believe a few of the rotation opportunities were in China/Malaysia/Vietnam. Most Intl expats to Asian countries get their own drivers, cause they don't want you to drive in Asia.

+1 Thanks for the insight.
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BASF has a great program as well, very selective though and typically reserved only for ppl with chemistry/chemical engineer experience. feeders usually tepper, stern wharton or rutgers
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BASF has a great program as well, very selective though and typically reserved only for ppl with chemistry/chemical engineer experience. feeders usually tepper, stern wharton or rutgers

Interesting!! Quite selective (especially the bilingualism):

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The program is comprised of three domestic six-month assignments, and one international assignment in your field of expertise.

Program requirements are as follows:

* MBA degree with a concentration in Finance, Marketing or Supply Chain/Logistics required
* Undergraduate technical degree preferred (e.g. Chemistry, Engineering, etc.)
* International perspective required, international experience preferred
* Mobile-minded <------- lots of travel?
* Bi-lingual required, German fluency preferred
* Excellent communication skills
* Outstanding work ethic
* Demonstrated academic achievement
* 3-5 years of work experience prior to your MBA
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speaking of Energy, Berkeley Haas is probably one of those very few programs that have a very strong affiliation with energy/clean tech. The program is huge at Haas and I know a large percentage of people go into that field. A new program that started this year that's been a big hit is the "Clean Tech to Market" program, where students work with the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and bring some of their research work into a commercializable form.

https://www.haas.berkeley.edu/innovation ... ion18.html

Also, the UC Berkeley wide Berkeley Energy & Resources Collaborative (BERC) is very active and involves schools from Haas, Law School, Public Policy, and others. A LOT of students are involved in it and there are many programs out there. Instead of listing them all here, I will provide you with links to read up on the program.

Also, not only the traditional energy companies recruit here (Chevron, PG&E), there are LOTS of startups in the area doing biofuels and solar tech that students join after getting their MBA.

In short, if you want to do energy/clean tech stuff, Berkeley is one of the places to do it.

BERC:
https://berc.berkeley.edu/

Severin Borenstein - the director of UC Energy Institute and a great economist
https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/borenste/

Some programs offered in the energy area (plus lots of links on this page):
https://www.haas.berkeley.edu/innovation ... tion5.html

Center for Energy and Environmental Innovation (CEEI)
https://ceei.berkeley.edu/
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Kryzak...LOTS? come on lets be honest. Even at energy "powerhouses" like McCombs energy is still a small percentage of students. Take out the big oil gigs and I bet almost every school is in the single digits for people going into energy. However, you have to look at how many people want to go into that field? Its self selecting and it is doing well relatively speaking these days, so there are lots of opportunities.

The bay area is pretty hot with green energy companies these days though, its just a matter of how many will succeed. Not all those solar companies will be successful (solar has a LONG way to go too). Biofuels is big in lots of place, there the issue is with oil down in price it is not economical anymore...especially if you eliminate subsidies. The place to be is BATTERIES, you heard it here. Get your MBA and join a battery company.
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Kryzak...LOTS? come on lets be honest. Even at energy "powerhouses" like McCombs energy is still a small percentage of students. Take out the big oil gigs and I bet almost every school is in the single digits for people going into energy. However, you have to look at how many people want to go into that field? Its self selecting and it is doing well relatively speaking these days, so there are lots of opportunities.

Now now river, there's no need to disparage another school when you don't know it well enough. :)

I can name at least 10 people off the top of my head (out of only the 120 or so people I know out of my class of 240) who are going into clean tech and energy, NOT oil related. Everywhere I go people seem to want to go into energy here at Haas. BERC will be establishing a separate "chapter" at Haas this year because of so many business school students interested in the energy industry (again, not oil related ones).
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Alright, here's an update after some research into our Class of 2009 Resume book (the 2010 version is not out yet).

32 out of 240 students were involved with Renewable Energy/Clean Tech/Energy Policy, most of those were part of BERC.
13 out of those 32 students actually did a summer internship that is energy related, including:

- Natural Gas
- Lithium Ion Batteries
- Solar (many of them)
- Energy Policy (in the US and in Africa)
- Energy investments
- "Using Nanotech to fulfill our energy needs" (whatever that means)

Currently, 10 of BERCs new leadership team (class of 2010) are Haas students, and I know most of them want to pursue clean tech from speaking to them. This doesn't include others who are just members of BERC who are from Haas.

The greater UC Berkeley community (that forms BERC) is even more active in recent years, with the 3rd annual Energy Symposium coming up in 2009.

https://berc.berkeley.edu/?q=symposium

Cleantech to Market (C2M) involved quite a few of my classmates this year in very interesting projects (yes river, you got your batteries in there too :P):
https://berc.berkeley.edu/?q=cleantech-to-market

So unless we're talking about completely different things, river, that's quite a bit more than "single digits" of people interested or involved with energy related companies, clubs, or events.
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