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16 Mar 2018, 11:26
Hi experts.

I am a non native and belong to non engineering background, So maths has always been a pain in the back. It has been a while that I have been studying for gmat . More than a year.
My 1st mock score before any preparation was 280. I subscribed for e-gmat and took a few offline classes. I gave my 1st mock on march 2017,after a thorough, and scored 610.
Egmat helped a lot, and my verbal improved. I started giving official mocks, hoping my score would show some progress. My scores were 640, 650 in the 1st two gmat preps.
But my score went south in gmatprep 3 (580) , gmat prep 4 ( 620). I practiced again and gave a few unofficial mocks. I scored in the range 640-660.
I booked my exam date, since my target score is 650+ . My score in gmat prep 5 and 6 was 650 and 670 respectively. The decision seemed to be rational, however I ended up scoring 510. Neither quant nor verbal went well. I know i am better than this. I didn't order ESR and Started preparing again in September 2017 from gmatclub and official guides.
I gave manhattan mocks, since my log in was supposed to expire in December. My mock scores in Manhattan were in range 600-640. Since December I have been practicing from gmatclub and official material such as quant review, OG. I tried Experts Global mocks and gave three mocks. My scores were 680, 670, 620( was really tired when gave this one).
The problem now is that I dont know how to advance from here. I feel that I am just exhausting the materials and still don't feel confident enough to write again.
I am also fighting monotony and saturation. Also I am never going to give up until this happens, since I have given so much already my job, personal life, new opportunities. I dont regret any of the decisions, but I just need a roadmap so that I can fix my arrow and move accordingly to ace it.
I'll be really thankful, if experts can help.

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17 Mar 2018, 11:09
Hi SandySilva,

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) On what date did you take the official GMAT (and what were the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for this 510?)?
2) In 2018, how have you scored on EACH of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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17 Mar 2018, 12:49
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi SandySilva,

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) On what date did you take the official GMAT (and what were the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for this 510?)?
2) In 2018, how have you scored on EACH of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
3) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi Rich. 1st of all thanks for such a genuine response. I always see you offering help to the folks in need. May god bless you.!

1) I took my exam on 26th September 2017. I was so disgusted by the score I couldn't wait to cancel it and run out of the premise. However, I can recollect, my score was Q- 39/38 V- 20

2) in 2018 I have used Experts Global mocks( dont know how reliable they are) since I have already exhausted the official ones.
My scores were 680 ( Q- 47 V- 36); 670 ( Q- 49 V- 31); 620 ( Q- 45 V- 29).
I also gave one of the 800 score prep tests. This was given after the 1st Experts Global mock. My score Q- 42 V- 30.

3) I will take gmat when I feel confident enough or at-least consistently score 650+ in mocks.

4) I haven't thought about this one yet. Whenever I have the score I am aiming for, i'll apply in the nearest round.

5) I am targeting Business schools in Canada and Australia.

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18 Mar 2018, 17:28
Hi SandySilva,

When the type of score drop that happened to you occurs, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. As such, I'd like to know a bit more about how you took your CATs.

When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take them at the same time of day as when you took your Official GMAT?
4) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
5) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE (re: in an online forum or in a practice set)?

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19 Mar 2018, 01:03
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi SandySilva,

When the type of score drop that happened to you occurs, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. As such, I'd like to know a bit more about how you took your CATs.

When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take them at the same time of day as when you took your Official GMAT?
4) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
5) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE (re: in an online forum or in a practice set)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi Rich.

1) Yes I have always taken entire CATs
2) No, I used to take them at a library so that I could get feel of the exam.
3) yes, I have always taken my CATs at the same time of the day as my official exam
4) Yes, I tend to pause in Quant section when I struggle really bad with time, But not in all CATs I follow this trend. I have never skipped any of the sections and I used to take 8 mins break as the case in actual exam.
5) In gmat prep 1 and 2 there were questions that i had seen before. However, in no other CATs I came across any such seen before questions.
I took my gmat prep 6 ( final mock) 2 days before my exam and scored a 670 and no pause or extra breaks were done in this exam.

P.S. In 2018 all the mocks have been taken at home and not at the library.

Regards
SandySilva
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19 Mar 2018, 10:14
Hi SandySilva,

From your prior post, there were some 'red flags' in terms of how you took your CATs. Before we discuss those issues, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

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19 Mar 2018, 11:19
EMPOWERgmatRichC wrote:
Hi SandySilva,

From your prior post, there were some 'red flags' in terms of how you took your CATs. Before we discuss those issues, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made,
Rich

Hi Rich,

1) I took a mock 3 days before my last gmat prep 6.
2) There wasn't any problem in sleeping the night before the exam.
3) Center is 45 min- 1 hr away from my home.
4) No, there were no distractions.
5) I had some water, washed my face, and had some fruits.
6) No, all my sections were finished on time.
7) Yes, I had to rush in both sections and I guessed questions in both sections. When I started my verbal sections I went blank, as if i have never studied verbal in my entire life. As if this is 1st time I am coming across any gmat question. I remember my 1st question was S.C. and I consider Sc my strength, however I took really long to just figure out what was the exam actually testing. I could not get a hold of verbal. From the very beginning I couldn't set up my mind and concentrate.

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SAndySilva
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20 Mar 2018, 10:57
Hi SandySilva,

Based on what you described about Test Day, I have 2 additional questions:

1) What time did you begin your Official GMAT?
2) What order did you take the sections?

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20 Mar 2018, 11:38
Hi Rich,

1) I began my exam at 1.30pm

2) Quant-Verbal was the order

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21 Mar 2018, 19:26
Hi SandySilva,

Test Day is a rather specific 'event' - the details are specific and they matter, so you have to train as best as you can for all of them. The more realistic you can make your CATs, the more likely the score results are to be accurate. The more you deviate, the more "inflated" your practice scores can become - and that's what happened here. By pausing the Exams, seeing 'repeat' questions, taking CATs at home, etc., you weren't properly training for the FULL GMAT 'experience.'

Test Day involves a variety of really specific steps and parameters (including steps before the Test even begins - such as leaving your home, traveling, etc.). Every factor matters, including the psychological ones. For example, if the Test Center was about 1 hour from your home, did you travel for 1 hour before taking each of your practice CATs? Those types of factors DO impact Test Takers' performances, so you have to account for those details when you study.

The process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week - and your last CAT should be taken about 1 week before Test Day. From what you describe, you took at least 2 CATs in the days right before your Official GMAT, so there's a reasonable chance that you experienced some 'burn out' on Test Day. Even if you didn't "feel" tired, what you describe about going "blank" at the beginning of the Verbal section certainly makes it sound like you were not at your best.

Thankfully, these are relatively easy issues to fix - now that you've taken the Official GMAT, you know the EXACT details of what happens on Test Day, so you can better train to mimic those details during your CATs. That having been said, raising a 510 to a 650+ will likely require at least another 2-3 months of consistent, guided study

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