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17 Nov 2022, 18:50
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Here are my official GMAT and GRE scores –
GMAT V46 Q47 [Per ESR - RC v51, SC v50, CR v42]
GRE V166 Q161
I’ve to admit that I lucked out on verbal scores on both the occasions. Here is why-
1) I have NEVER scored more than 41 on my verbal section in any of the prep tests. But I have never scored below 39 either
2) I don’t recall scoring more than 160 on GRE verbal in prep tests either.
3) I’ve been observing my accuracy on official questions, more consciously now. Sadly, my accuracy is only 85-90% regardless of difficulty level of questions. Nowhere close to V46. My accuracy does not seem to drop hugely with harder questions somehow.
4) I hardly studied for the verbal. Read MGMAT old guides I got from a friend and solved OG, VG questions. For RC, I didn’t even finish all passages and my RC score is V51. How crazy is that! Only now I realize that people have extracted thousands of verbal questions from official sources.
5) GMAC says standard error of measurement is 3 points. My score v46 is 2 standard error from v40. With more than 200k students taking the gmat every year, I guess, a ton of people get lucky like I did (about 4.5% roughly 9000 students each year). So, my score should not be so surprising after all.
I have two paths to take from here-
1) Be real. Lightening is not gonna strike twice. Take the score. Never mention about ‘luck’ to anyone ever. Act as if I earned it. lol
OR
2) Fancy my chances for an even bigger score. Why?
a) RC v51 and SC v50: I would not have imagined that score even in my wildest dreams. Having said so, I am fascinated by words and languages, how the languages evolved from PIE to present day languages in Europe and Asia etc. I loved SC section of GMAT so much that I contemplated reading Elements of Style, Chicago Style Guide, or Elements of Style by Steven Pinker but there wasn’t enough time.
RC: Just like an average test taker, I HATE reading RC passages but on the other hand, none of the passages seem to pose a challenge to me. I am a very inquisitive person and so relish the fact that these passages always help me know something interesting and new.
I don’t know but there might be a very very thin chance that apart from massive stroke of luck I might have benefited from my proclivity for languages. Why not take advantage of it and see how far I can go on the GMAT?
b) I do have time on my hand – I will be applying next fall.
c) A higher score will DEFINITELY help. For Asian male, adcoms and our own competition are unsparing. There seems to be some misunderstanding esp among western admissions experts that there is no advantage to a higher score after an average score of the school. I know too many people who got into Yale, Cornell, Ross, NYU by simply improving their gmat score from sub760 to +760. Plus avg score for Asian male itself is higher by 30-40 points than the avg for the entire class. I guess, ranking agencies are to be blamed here too as they place a lot of weight on avg gmat score. I’m a bit evangelical about this. 😊Let me stop here though as this is a whole new discussion for another day.
- Ok so would you encourage me to take another stab at the GMAT?
- How do 780+ scorers prep differently?
- What all resources? GRE/LSAT material apart from GMAT official questions? Which private test prep providers would u recommend for that near perfect GMAT score?
- TTP vs MGMAT? I know TTP’s curriculum was developed by MartyTargetTestPrep, an 800’er and one of the most insightful experts out there. On the other, from what I know, MGMAT has/d a couple 800ers and many many 790,780ers involved in creating its course.
- My reading speed is a bit slow right now. I’m slowing down even more when I follow GMATNinja strategy for RC. If I solve a couple thousand RC questions from say LSAT/GRE, will it improve? Is it possible to improve one’s reading speed in such short time?
- How many questions can u afford to get wrong overall (Q+V) and still end up 780+? How does the algorithm work in v50 and q50’s?
- My understanding is you can get only a couple questions wrong in that range. How to manage stress, stay positive and confident when u are gunning for such a high score, cuz while practicing, every now and then, u can get a question wrong and that will put a dent in your optimism?
Sorry for the long post. Thank you and looking forward to your advice.
GMAT V46 Q47 [Per ESR - RC v51, SC v50, CR v42]
GRE V166 Q161
I’ve to admit that I lucked out on verbal scores on both the occasions. Here is why-
1) I have NEVER scored more than 41 on my verbal section in any of the prep tests. But I have never scored below 39 either
2) I don’t recall scoring more than 160 on GRE verbal in prep tests either.
3) I’ve been observing my accuracy on official questions, more consciously now. Sadly, my accuracy is only 85-90% regardless of difficulty level of questions. Nowhere close to V46. My accuracy does not seem to drop hugely with harder questions somehow.
4) I hardly studied for the verbal. Read MGMAT old guides I got from a friend and solved OG, VG questions. For RC, I didn’t even finish all passages and my RC score is V51. How crazy is that! Only now I realize that people have extracted thousands of verbal questions from official sources.
5) GMAC says standard error of measurement is 3 points. My score v46 is 2 standard error from v40. With more than 200k students taking the gmat every year, I guess, a ton of people get lucky like I did (about 4.5% roughly 9000 students each year). So, my score should not be so surprising after all.
I have two paths to take from here-
1) Be real. Lightening is not gonna strike twice. Take the score. Never mention about ‘luck’ to anyone ever. Act as if I earned it. lol
OR
2) Fancy my chances for an even bigger score. Why?
a) RC v51 and SC v50: I would not have imagined that score even in my wildest dreams. Having said so, I am fascinated by words and languages, how the languages evolved from PIE to present day languages in Europe and Asia etc. I loved SC section of GMAT so much that I contemplated reading Elements of Style, Chicago Style Guide, or Elements of Style by Steven Pinker but there wasn’t enough time.
RC: Just like an average test taker, I HATE reading RC passages but on the other hand, none of the passages seem to pose a challenge to me. I am a very inquisitive person and so relish the fact that these passages always help me know something interesting and new.
I don’t know but there might be a very very thin chance that apart from massive stroke of luck I might have benefited from my proclivity for languages. Why not take advantage of it and see how far I can go on the GMAT?
b) I do have time on my hand – I will be applying next fall.
c) A higher score will DEFINITELY help. For Asian male, adcoms and our own competition are unsparing. There seems to be some misunderstanding esp among western admissions experts that there is no advantage to a higher score after an average score of the school. I know too many people who got into Yale, Cornell, Ross, NYU by simply improving their gmat score from sub760 to +760. Plus avg score for Asian male itself is higher by 30-40 points than the avg for the entire class. I guess, ranking agencies are to be blamed here too as they place a lot of weight on avg gmat score. I’m a bit evangelical about this. 😊Let me stop here though as this is a whole new discussion for another day.
- Ok so would you encourage me to take another stab at the GMAT?
- How do 780+ scorers prep differently?
- What all resources? GRE/LSAT material apart from GMAT official questions? Which private test prep providers would u recommend for that near perfect GMAT score?
- TTP vs MGMAT? I know TTP’s curriculum was developed by MartyTargetTestPrep, an 800’er and one of the most insightful experts out there. On the other, from what I know, MGMAT has/d a couple 800ers and many many 790,780ers involved in creating its course.
- My reading speed is a bit slow right now. I’m slowing down even more when I follow GMATNinja strategy for RC. If I solve a couple thousand RC questions from say LSAT/GRE, will it improve? Is it possible to improve one’s reading speed in such short time?
- How many questions can u afford to get wrong overall (Q+V) and still end up 780+? How does the algorithm work in v50 and q50’s?
- My understanding is you can get only a couple questions wrong in that range. How to manage stress, stay positive and confident when u are gunning for such a high score, cuz while practicing, every now and then, u can get a question wrong and that will put a dent in your optimism?
Sorry for the long post. Thank you and looking forward to your advice.
17 Nov 2022, 19:17
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Hi 78090HSW.
If you have "hardly studied for verbal," then maybe you should go for it and actually study. By filling some knowledge gaps, learning some strategies, and practicing more, you should be readily able to score high on verbal again and increase your total score to 780+, and the fact that you are "fascinated by words and languages" only makes it more likely that you'll end up scoring V51.
Also, you could study more for quant and score Q51.
What a fun game it would be to see exactly how high you can score.
You can score 780 with Q50 V48, in other words, with about 3 missed quant questions and one missed verbal question.
To learn more about how to master verbal, see this post.
How to Score High on GMAT Verbal
For ideas on how to speed up in RC and in verbal in general, see this one.
How to Get Faster at GMAT Verbal
To learn more about how to score 800 or close to 800 see this one.
How to Get a Perfect 800 GMAT Score
To learn how to practice for best results, see this one.
The Best GMAT Practice Methods
If you have "hardly studied for verbal," then maybe you should go for it and actually study. By filling some knowledge gaps, learning some strategies, and practicing more, you should be readily able to score high on verbal again and increase your total score to 780+, and the fact that you are "fascinated by words and languages" only makes it more likely that you'll end up scoring V51.
Also, you could study more for quant and score Q51.
What a fun game it would be to see exactly how high you can score.
You can score 780 with Q50 V48, in other words, with about 3 missed quant questions and one missed verbal question.
To learn more about how to master verbal, see this post.
How to Score High on GMAT Verbal
For ideas on how to speed up in RC and in verbal in general, see this one.
How to Get Faster at GMAT Verbal
To learn more about how to score 800 or close to 800 see this one.
How to Get a Perfect 800 GMAT Score
To learn how to practice for best results, see this one.
The Best GMAT Practice Methods
17 Nov 2022, 19:30
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Hi 78090HSW,
It may sound strange for the guy who started GMAT Club to try to convince you not to take the GMAT 😂 but the reason I started this place is to help people not make the mistakes I made….
I have not calculated the score you have at the moment, but I would agree with you that certain segments of applicants have to have a higher score. For example, doing research among Indian students at Ross back in 2019, we couldn’t really find anyone with the score below 750. There was indeed one person with a 740 but the rest of the folks had 750 and above.
I do believe admissions teams, who say that an applicant is more than the score. There are some amazing folks with amazing profiles in a lot of accomplishments and maybe no such high GMAT scores just because they’re very busy and engaged in so many things. However, when you have many applicants, who are homogenous and one has, a pretty cool job with a 720 and another has a pretty cool job with the 760, it’s an easy choice to admit the 760 person. Sometimes it comes down to splitting hairs and it’s an ugly job.
However, you have to think about your application and its quality. You may apply with the 760 or 780. By the way, I don’t think there’s a difference between 760 780 in the eyes of the admissions. Anyway, if you don’t have enough time to put a good application together, the time focusing on improving, your score, may not be well spent… assuming you’re applying in round two.
At the same time, I would not underestimate the value of the score in other areas and other regards. Some business schools would be more likely to give you scholarship money. If you have a high GMAT score, because in addition to a quality applicant, they can also help raise their average and bump the rankings. So if you can spend two weeks and get a 99th percentile, you may save 100 grand…. Or at least have a choice to decline 100 grand scholarship at the lower rank school, and choose to attend a different one…. It won’t be a burden, but do you have the time to do it is the question.
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It may sound strange for the guy who started GMAT Club to try to convince you not to take the GMAT 😂 but the reason I started this place is to help people not make the mistakes I made….
I have not calculated the score you have at the moment, but I would agree with you that certain segments of applicants have to have a higher score. For example, doing research among Indian students at Ross back in 2019, we couldn’t really find anyone with the score below 750. There was indeed one person with a 740 but the rest of the folks had 750 and above.
I do believe admissions teams, who say that an applicant is more than the score. There are some amazing folks with amazing profiles in a lot of accomplishments and maybe no such high GMAT scores just because they’re very busy and engaged in so many things. However, when you have many applicants, who are homogenous and one has, a pretty cool job with a 720 and another has a pretty cool job with the 760, it’s an easy choice to admit the 760 person. Sometimes it comes down to splitting hairs and it’s an ugly job.
However, you have to think about your application and its quality. You may apply with the 760 or 780. By the way, I don’t think there’s a difference between 760 780 in the eyes of the admissions. Anyway, if you don’t have enough time to put a good application together, the time focusing on improving, your score, may not be well spent… assuming you’re applying in round two.
At the same time, I would not underestimate the value of the score in other areas and other regards. Some business schools would be more likely to give you scholarship money. If you have a high GMAT score, because in addition to a quality applicant, they can also help raise their average and bump the rankings. So if you can spend two weeks and get a 99th percentile, you may save 100 grand…. Or at least have a choice to decline 100 grand scholarship at the lower rank school, and choose to attend a different one…. It won’t be a burden, but do you have the time to do it is the question.
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