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i want to score 660 in 2 months time from today as it is a cutoff for certain job i want.
i don't know anything about GMAT. I'm engineering graduate.

How and where to start?

I downloaded lots of free study material today which is available on internet.But i don't know which one to follow.

Is giving mbadotcom's mock test without any prior idea of gmat a good idea to test where i stand?
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New post 20 Nov 2018, 22:20
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i want to score 660 in 2 months time from today as it is a cutoff for certain job i want.
i don't know anything about GMAT. I'm engineering graduate.

How and where to start?

I downloaded lots of free study material today which is available on internet.But i don't know which one to follow.

Is giving mbadotcom's mock test without any prior idea of gmat a good idea to test where i stand?


Hi target660,

Welcome to GMATCLUB. 2 months is good enough to achieve your target score. I would encourage you to start by taking a GMATPREP Mock. You can then know your weaknesses and can work on them. If you are willing to study dedicatedly for that period, you are sure to achieve your goal. I believe you may benefit from taking a GMATPREP course. You need to work on solidifying your base and clearing your concepts. If you are willing, there are some great GMAT prep companies that can help you with your preparation.

In order to make an informed decision I would highly encourage you to go to their websites and try on their free trial and decide for yourself which one do you like better. You try out free access to EmpowerGMAT, Magoosh and Optimus Prep as they have great reviews on GMATCLUB.

Also for verbal, I would highly encourage you to consider e-gmat verbal online or the e-gmat verbal live course. They are both amazing courses especially designed for non-natives. They offer almost 25% of their courses for free so you can try out their free trial to decide which one you want to go for. Plus the e-gmat Scholaranium which is included in both the courses is one of the best verbal practice tools in the market. You can easily track your progress in that you can identify your strengths and analyze and improve on your weak areas.

You can also use MGMAT guides for your preparation. MGMAT guides are phenomenal and cover the entire syllabus really well. I must add that if you are particularly looking to discover and improve on your weak areas in quant; a subscription to GMATCLUB tests is the best way to do that. They are indeed phenomenal and will not only pinpoint your weak areas but also help you improve on them.

Further taking multiple mocks might help. Apart from the GMATPREP, Manhattan GMAT tests and Veritas Prep Tests in my experience have a good verbal and Quant section and will certainly help you point out and improve your weak areas.

Further another advantage of taking many mocks is to build up your stamina. Apart from the GMATPREP tests, taking practise tests of any major GMATPREP company ought to do that.

I would also encourage you to purchase the GMATPREP QP 1 for some great additional practice. Here is a link that will help you with your decision.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/best-gmat-ve ... ml?fl=menu

Lastly, you can check out a very interesting article by Mike McGarry from Magoosh detailing a 3 month study plan

https://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/3-month-g ... -students/. You will find it very helpful as it gives out a study plan as per your needs.

Hope this helps. All the best.
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will studying complete 11 books by manhattan gmat be enough?

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will studying complete 11 books by manhattan gmat be enough?

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Hey target660

Welcome to GMATClub.

From a concept standpoint, the Manhattan books are good for someone looking to
score in your target score range. Alternatively, I would recommend you to do the
PowerScore CR Bible for CR concepts. For quant, you have all that you need here
at GMATClub. This, of course, is an alternative for the Manhattan books which are
an excellent source.

PFB the links on the forum that you might need with regards to Quant:
You could also check these links for more GMAT Quant related information
1. GMATClub Quantitative Mega-Thread
2. ALL YOU NEED FOR QUANT ! ! !
3. PS Directory by Topic and Difficulty
4. DS Directory by Topic and Difficulty
5. Q44 -> Q50
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The third and fourth links are for practice only.

Hope this helps.
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Hi target660,

Since it sounds like you're just beginning your studies, then it would be a good idea to take a FULL-LENGTH practice CAT Test; you can take 2 for free at www.mba.com (and they come with some additional practice materials). If you want to do a little studying first, so that you can familiarize yourself with the basic content and question types, then that's okay - but you shouldn't wait too long to take that initial CAT. That score will give us a good sense of your natural strengths and weaknesses and will help provide a basis for comparison as you continue to study. A FULL CAT takes about 3.5 hours to complete, so make sure that you've set aside enough time to take it in one sitting. Once you have those scores, you should report back here and we can come up with a study plan.

I'd like to know a bit more about your timeline and goals:
1) What is the 'deadline' that you must take the GMAT by?
2) Have you scheduled your Official GMAT yet (and if you have, then what is that date?)?
3) Can you provide a bit more information on how your GMAT Score will apply? Do you need a minimum score for the Essay or IR sections? Are you going to eventually want to apply to Business School with this Score?

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target660 wrote:
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i want to score 660 in 2 months time from today as it is a cutoff for certain job i want.
i don't know anything about GMAT. I'm engineering graduate.

How and where to start?

I downloaded lots of free study material today which is available on internet.But i don't know which one to follow.

Is giving mbadotcom's mock test without any prior idea of gmat a good idea to test where i stand?


1. GMATPrep mock to assess where your strengths and weaknesses.
2. GMATClub theory and practice to build on your strengths and weaknesses.
3. Official Guides - main, OG Quant, OG Verbal.
4. 5 GMAT Prep mocks.

Just doing the above and not referring to any other material will help you reach your goal. Although there are some good sources available too which can help you boost your score beyond in the time frame at hand for you. A lot of these resources have been mentioned in the other messages in this thread.
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Start off studying sort of "on-the-side" -- then once you commit to kicking things into high-gear -- then it's nothing but studying. Live, breath, and sleep the GMAT for full entire days. And then rest -- and then go at it again - then rest. Then review - and kickass on the exam.

http://www.gmatpill.com/gmat-practice-t ... study-plan

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We also recommend a "Divide and Conquer" approach first.

That is - focus on specific sections - like Sentence Correction. Dedicate an entire day - heck, dedicate multiple consecutive days dedicated ONLY to sentence correction.

For example: tomorrow is "Sentence Correction Day" - and don't move on until you feel you've made a significant improvement and have results to show.

If you operate with that kind of work ethic - and apply that process to RC, RC, PS, DS, etc. -- then you will have individually made good progress in each section.

Then from there, it's about mixing and matching different verbal and quant questions - just as you would see them on the actual test. So take practice tests to simulate this mental switch between different question types under time pressure.

For practice, we recommend the practice tests from mba.com as well as from supplemental resources such as this one from GMAT Pill:
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will studying complete 11 books by manhattan gmat be enough?

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That might be overkill. Take one of these tests to check how close you are to your target score.
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Okay i took the mbadotcom's GMAT prep test and scored as follows:

scaled score percentile

Verbal: 20 23
Quant: 41 43

i scored 510.overall percentile 31.
First of all what does this all means?verbal was 16/25 correct and quant was 18/29 correct.does that matters in adaptive

i have no concern with IR and Written Essay yet.So i skipped that.
I was able to attempt only 25/36 questions in verbal.

So where and how to improve.can someone analyse
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Hi target660,

Based on what you described, I assume that you did not actually answer every question in each section (meaning that time ran out and you did not answer the last 2 Quant questions and the last 11 Verbal questions). If that is the case, then you incurred a big penalty. Any question that you do not physically answer is penalized - and the penalty is WORSE than if you had simply gotten the question wrong. By not answering those 11 Verbal questions, a big drop in your Verbal Scaled Score occurred. Going forward, you MUST make sure to answer every question in each section, even if you are just taking a guess.

To properly fix these pacing issues and raise a 510 to a 660+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. Thus, you might need to change your timeline a bit and/or push back your planned Test Date.

1) What is the 'deadline' that you must take the GMAT by?
2) Can you provide a bit more information on how your GMAT Score will apply for the job that you are interested in? Are you going to eventually want to apply to Business School with this Score?

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Okay i took the mbadotcom's GMAT prep test and scored as follows:

scaled score percentile

Verbal: 20 23
Quant: 41 43

i scored 510.overall percentile 31.
First of all what does this all means?verbal was 16/25 correct and quant was 18/29 correct.does that matters in adaptive

i have no concern with IR and Written Essay yet.So i skipped that.
I was able to attempt only 25/36 questions in verbal.

So where and how to improve.can someone analyse
You got a practice test score that is slightly lower than than the global average for the actual GMAT (560). You are looking to get to 77%, a jump of 48 percentile points.

2 months may or may not be enough, but I suggest you start with your prep. You should see an increase in your score as you get more familiar with the format of and the concepts tested on the exam. You should take another practice test after 2-3 weeks to identify specific areas to work on.
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Hi target660,

Based on what you described, I assume that you did not actually answer every question in each section (meaning that time ran out and you did not answer the last 2 Quant questions and the last 11 Verbal questions). If that is the case, then you incurred a big penalty. Any question that you do not physically answer is penalized - and the penalty is WORSE than if you had simply gotten the question wrong. By not answering those 11 Verbal questions, a big drop in your Verbal Scaled Score occurred. Going forward, you MUST make sure to answer every question in each section, even if you are just taking a guess.

To properly fix these pacing issues and raise a 510 to a 660+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. Thus, you might need to change your timeline a bit and/or push back your planned Test Date.

1) What is the 'deadline' that you must take the GMAT by?
2) Can you provide a bit more information on how your GMAT Score will apply for the job that you are interested in? Are you going to eventually want to apply to Business School with this Score?

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1)My deadline is 29th of january 2019.can't change that.
2)Yeah i didn't answered 2 quant questions and 11 verbal questions.
3)Suppose i attempted haphazardly all the the verbal questions in last minute.how big difference would have that made?
4)The job is for graduates without mba in my country.they have a pre qualification criteria of 660 GMAT score for GD/Interview.
5)does the number of correct vs incorrect answer matters in Adaptive test?
6)can you explain in detail areas and type of questions to improve on?
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Hi target660,

With a late January Test Date, you would have about 2 months of potential study time. While you could potentially improve a great deal during that time, there's no way to know whether that would be enough time for you to get to the point that you would consistently score 660+ or not. That will depend greatly on the amount of study time you can commit on a weekly basis and how 'flexible' a thinker you are (re: how easily you can learn the content and practice new Tactics).

Unfortunately, there's no way to know the exact impact that guessing on all of those questions (instead of not getting to them at all) would have had on your Score. You certainly would have avoided the overall string of 'penalties', but we have no way of knowing which questions you might have answered correctly - and we really can't speculate on that part of it. The Scoring Algorithm is actually a lot more complicated than most people realize - and it takes into account far more than just the number of correct/incorrect answers. All things considered, if you had at least answered all of the questions, you probably would have ended up with a Score in the high-500s.

The GMAT is a consistent and predictable Exam - and the question types, patterns, Tactics and little 'secrets' to the Exam are all concepts that you can learn and train to use. Given your limited timeframe, you're going to need to be really 'efficient' with your studies for the next 2 months though.

1) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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Hi target660,

With a late January Test Date, you would have about 2 months of potential study time. While you could potentially improve a great deal during that time, there's no way to know whether that would be enough time for you to get to the point that you would consistently score 660+ or not. That will depend greatly on the amount of study time you can commit on a weekly basis and how 'flexible' a thinker you are (re: how easily you can learn the content and practice new Tactics).

Unfortunately, there's no way to know the exact impact that guessing on all of those questions (instead of not getting to them at all) would have had on your Score. You certainly would have avoided the overall string of 'penalties', but we have no way of knowing which questions you might have answered correctly - and we really can't speculate on that part of it. The Scoring Algorithm is actually a lot more complicated than most people realize - and it takes into account far more than just the number of correct/incorrect answers. All things considered, if you had at least answered all of the questions, you probably would have ended up with a Score in the high-500s.

The GMAT is a consistent and predictable Exam - and the question types, patterns, Tactics and little 'secrets' to the Exam are all concepts that you can learn and train to use. Given your limited timeframe, you're going to need to be really 'efficient' with your studies for the next 2 months though.

1) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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i can dedicate 14-15 hours per week.i want to score this badly.
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Hi target660,

When it comes to studying for the GMAT, there are a variety of different options. Most GMAT Companies offer some type of free materials (practice problems, Trial Accounts, videos, etc.) that you can use to 'test out' a product before you buy it. We have a variety of those resources at our website (www.empowergmat.com). I suggest that you take advantage of all of them then choose the one that best matches your personality, timeline and budget.

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Hi target660,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. So, you have successfully completed the first step: taking a diagnostic to get a baseline score. Since you are 140 points from your score goal and scored Q41/V20, it’s clear that you have some major work to do to improve to a 660. That being said, your next step is to lay out a sound and thorough study plan. Ideally, you want to follow a linear study plan that allows you to start with the foundations and move to more advanced topics. By following a structured and methodical approach, you can ensure that you master each topic individually as you progress through GMAT quant and verbal.

For example, say you are learning about Number Properties. First, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual Critical Reasoning topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each question type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type of question. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the Economist, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey meanings that make sense. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. It may take time for you to see what you have to see. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may consider using an online self-study course, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses.

You also may find it helpful to read this article about
how to score a 700+ on the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions.

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i want to score 660 in 2 months time from today as it is a cutoff for certain job i want.
i don't know anything about GMAT. I'm engineering graduate.

How and where to start?

I downloaded lots of free study material today which is available on internet.But i don't know which one to follow.

Is giving mbadotcom's mock test without any prior idea of gmat a good idea to test where i stand?


For a score of 660 i think you can rely on Kaplan premier book for a period of two month.

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The Official Guide for GMAT 2015-19
The Official Guide for GMAT Quantitative Review 2015-19
The Official Guide for GMAT Verbal Review 2015-19

You can start with Quant or Verbal which suits you. If you have started with Quant then Start with the Arithmetic but if started with verbal then start first with Sentence correction. One month for learning Quant concepts and one month for practicing question and same practice for Verbal. During you Practicing question don't forget to make an error log to track your weak areas after practice. Once you know your weak areas revise your Concepts related to those areas and do some more Practice. 6-8 CATs are enough for practice the real tests. Make your Stamina for sitting 3 hours in the test and don't study more than 2 hours in one sit and 4 hours per day

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New post 30 Nov 2018, 23:21
Hey All!

thanks for inputs.I went through all of them.

I went through all Manhattan guides.and reviewed my gmatprep test 1.

My weak areas were :
- DS in Quants
- SC in Verbal

Should i go for gmatprep test 2? as it has been a week and i want to track my progress if any.

or should i practice more with time keeping and wait another week.
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