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18 Jan 2012, 01:00
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I saw a problem similar to the following
The company ran by Bob and Tom, who is a father of four, closed during the recession.
the relative clause "who is a father of four" is ambiguous when read aloud and also incorrect as far as the answer choices because it's not clear whether it modifies Bob or Tom. But it's confusing since the SC correction guides all say as long as it touches the noun there it is correct, and therefore it must modify Tom?
then I thought of this example, which is a bit less ambiguous.
The company ran by Bob from Arkansas and Tom from California, who is a father of four, closed during the recession [am i using commas correctly here?]
The company ran by Bob and Tom, who is a father of four, closed during the recession.
the relative clause "who is a father of four" is ambiguous when read aloud and also incorrect as far as the answer choices because it's not clear whether it modifies Bob or Tom. But it's confusing since the SC correction guides all say as long as it touches the noun there it is correct, and therefore it must modify Tom?
then I thought of this example, which is a bit less ambiguous.
The company ran by Bob from Arkansas and Tom from California, who is a father of four, closed during the recession [am i using commas correctly here?]
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18 Jan 2012, 02:01
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The company ran by Bob and Tom, who is a father of four, closed during the recession.
Ok let's break this sentence into its parts:
a)The company closed during the recession.
b) The company was run by Bob and Tom - reduced to a past participle phrase in the original sentence
c) Tom is a father of four(wow! 4 kids and still runs a company)
a) + b) have been combined to: The company closed during the recession + The company was run by Bob and Tom = The company ran by Bob and Tom closed during the recession
Now add c) to the sentence derived above after making (c) a non-restrictive modifier: non-restrictive relative clause
remove Tom from C and make it: who
The company ran by Bob and Tom, who is a father of four, closed during the recession
Let me know if you have questions. I don't mind kudos
Ok let's break this sentence into its parts:
a)The company closed during the recession.
b) The company was run by Bob and Tom - reduced to a past participle phrase in the original sentence
c) Tom is a father of four(wow! 4 kids and still runs a company)
a) + b) have been combined to: The company closed during the recession + The company was run by Bob and Tom = The company ran by Bob and Tom closed during the recession
Now add c) to the sentence derived above after making (c) a non-restrictive modifier: non-restrictive relative clause
remove Tom from C and make it: who
The company ran by Bob and Tom, who is a father of four, closed during the recession
Let me know if you have questions. I don't mind kudos
18 Jan 2012, 10:51
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Hi Someone,
Thanks for the breakdown, but as far as a nearly identical OG problem is concerned, that non-essential modifier is incorrect since it's ambiguous whether it modifies Tom or Bob. But according to the modifier rules it seems perfectly fine. It does sound ambiguous though, but I've learned to suppress my instinct on many problems.
*Btw thanks for correcting my "ran" with "run" for the past participle of an irregular verb
so in summary, how do we deal with a compound noun that is followed by a noun modifier? which noun does it modify? does it modify both?
