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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
shouldn't the answer be B? when x=1 or x=2, the answer is not divisible by 7, while when x=3, it is. Hence A is insufficient.
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shouldn't the answer be B? when x=1 or x=2, the answer is not divisible by 7, while when x=3, it is. Hence A is insufficient.


Pleas read the solution above.

What are the values of \(z\) and \(y\) when \(x=1\) or \(x=2\)? What is the value of \(x^3+y^2+z\) when \(x=1\) or \(x=2\)?

\(x=1\) and \(x=2\) do not satisfy the system of equations given in the stem, hence are not the valid solutions for \(x\).
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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
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X^2=Y+5
Y=Z-2=2X-2
Z=2X

X^2=2X=3
X^2-2X-3=0
X=3, -1
Y=4,-4
Z=6,-2
X^3+Y^2+Z

1.
X>0
X=3, Y=4, Z=6
X^3+Y^2+Z= Some value we don't care about but can determine whether or not the value is divisible by 7.

Sufficient

2.
y=4, X=3, Z=6
X^3+Y^2+Z= Some value we don't care about but can determine whether or not the value is divisible by 7.

Sufficient

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Rephrase the stem:
x^2 = y + 5
x^2 - y + 5 = 0
x^2 -(z-2) + 5 = 0
x^2 - z - 3 = 0
x^2 - 2x - 3 = 0
x = 3, -1
Substituting gives z = 6, -2 and y = 4, -4

Notice that both statements ask for same information, that is 1) x>0 -> x=3 and corresponding y=4 and z=6. 2) y=4 means x=3 and z=6

Substituting these values in the stem gives us 51, which is not div by 7. So, both suff.

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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
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If x^2 = y + 5, y = z - 2 and z = 2x, is x^3 + y^2 + z divisible by 7?

(1) x>0
(2) y = 4


We have system of equations with three distinct equations and three unknowns, so we can solve it. As \(x\) is squared we'll get two values for it and also two values for \(y\) and \(z\): two triplets. Hence we'll get two values for \(x^3 + y^2 + z\), one divisible by 7 and another not divisible by 7. Each statement is giving us the info to decide which triplet is right, thus both statement are sufficient on its own.

Given:
\(x^2 = y + 5\)
\(y = z - 2\) --> \(y=2x-2\).
\(z = 2x\)

\(x^2 =2x-2+ 5\) --> \(x^2-2x-3=0\) --> \(x=3\) or \(x=-1\)

\(x=3\), \(y=4\), \(z=6\) - first triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7;
\(x=-1\), \(y=-4\), \(z=-2\) - second triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=-1+16-2=13\), not divisible by 7.

(1) \(x \gt 0\) --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.
(2) \(y = 4\) --> --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.

Answer: D.


Your explanation is good but i want to know where am i making a mistake.
z=2x
y= 2x-2
x^2 = 2x+3
\(x^3 + y^2 +z = x(2x+3) + (2x-2)^2 + 2x = 6x^2 -3x +4\)
Why cant we use this equation to solve the question.
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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
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If x^2 = y + 5, y = z - 2 and z = 2x, is x^3 + y^2 + z divisible by 7?

1. \(x \gt 0\)
2. \(y = 4\)


We have system of equations with three distinct equations and three unknowns, so we can solve it. As \(x\) is squared we'll get two values for it and also two values for \(y\) and \(z\): two triplets. Hence we'll get two values for \(x^3 + y^2 + z\), one divisible by 7 and another not divisible by 7. Each statement is giving us the info to decide which triplet is right, thus both statement are sufficient on its own.

Given:
\(x^2 = y + 5\)
\(y = z - 2\) --> \(y=2x-2\).
\(z = 2x\)

\(x^2 =2x-2+ 5\) --> \(x^2-2x-3=0\) --> \(x=3\) or \(x=-1\)

\(x=3\), \(y=4\), \(z=6\) - first triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7;
\(x=-1\), \(y=-4\), \(z=-2\) - second triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=-1+16-2=13\), not divisible by 7.

(1) \(x \gt 0\) --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.
(2) \(y = 4\) --> --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.


Hi bunnel,

In second statement y=4 if we replace we found x^2 = 4+5 = 9

so can we write x= +3 and -3. if we replace x= -3 then sum will be -24+16+6 = -1. then how it can be divisible by 7

Please clarify

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Bunuel wrote:
study wrote:
If x^2 = y + 5, y = z - 2 and z = 2x, is x^3 + y^2 + z divisible by 7?

1. \(x \gt 0\)
2. \(y = 4\)


We have system of equations with three distinct equations and three unknowns, so we can solve it. As \(x\) is squared we'll get two values for it and also two values for \(y\) and \(z\): two triplets. Hence we'll get two values for \(x^3 + y^2 + z\), one divisible by 7 and another not divisible by 7. Each statement is giving us the info to decide which triplet is right, thus both statement are sufficient on its own.

Given:
\(x^2 = y + 5\)
\(y = z - 2\) --> \(y=2x-2\).
\(z = 2x\)

\(x^2 =2x-2+ 5\) --> \(x^2-2x-3=0\) --> \(x=3\) or \(x=-1\)

\(x=3\), \(y=4\), \(z=6\) - first triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7;
\(x=-1\), \(y=-4\), \(z=-2\) - second triplet --> \(x^3 + y^2 + z=-1+16-2=13\), not divisible by 7.

(1) \(x \gt 0\) --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.
(2) \(y = 4\) --> --> we deal with first triplet. \(x^3 + y^2 + z=27+16+6=49\), divisible by 7. sufficient.

Answer: D.

Hope it helps.


Hi bunnel,

In second statement y=4 if we replace we found x^2 = 4+5 = 9

so can we write x= +3 and -3. if we replace x= -3 then sum will be -24+16+6 = -1. then how it can be divisible by 7

Please clarify

Thanks.


Given: \(x^2 = y + 5\), \(y = z - 2\) and \(z = 2x\).

(2) \(y = 4\):

\(y = z - 2\) --> \(z=6\);
\(z = 2x\) --> \(x=3\).

So, x cannot be -3.

Does this make sense?
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Re: If x^2 = y + 5 , y = z - 2 and z = 2x , is x^3 + y^2 + z [#permalink]
If x^2 = y + 5, y = z - 2 and z = 2x, is x^3 + y^2 + z divisible by 7?

What is provided to us: z = 2x and y = z - 2 => y = 2x -2.
and x^2 = y + 5 => x^2 = 2x -2 + 5
=> x^2 - 2x - 3 = 0.
Solving this Quad. Eqn. we get x = -1 or x = 3.
So, following sets for possible values of x,y and z :: (x=-1,y=-4,z=-2) OR (x=3,y=4,z=6)

Now,
(1) x > 0
if x > 0, then we will have x =3, y = 4 and z = 6. And we can easily evaluate the expression: x^3 + y^2 + z = 49. So Yes divisible by 7.
So, Sufficient.
(2) y = 4
Again we have, x =3, y = 4 and z = 6. And x^3 + y^2 + z = 49. So Yes divisible by 7.
So, Sufficient.
Hence,
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Remember => we dont need to solve this scary looking question.
we need the value of x,y,z
now solving the system of three equations its clear that xcan be 3 and -1
now statement 1=> x>0 => sufficient as x=3 hence we can get the value of y and z
statement 2 => again if y=4 => x=3 and z=6 so we have the values of x,y,z

Note => divisiblity by 7 can be replaced by 13 or 5 or 17 or 20 even 138483461349273794739939738972 that would still be immaterial here. we just need the number a.k.a the values of x,y,z

Smash that D

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Remember => we dont need to solve this scary looking question.
we need the value of x,y,z
now solving the system of three equations its clear that xcan be 3 and -1
now statement 1=> x>0 => sufficient as x=3 hence we can get the value of y and z
statement 2 => again if y=4 => x=3 and z=6 so we have the values of x,y,z

Note => divisiblity by 7 can be replaced by 13 or 5 or 17 or 20 even 138483461349273794739939738972 that would still be immaterial here. we just need the number a.k.a the values of x,y,z

Smash that D

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I also followed the same approach and got x =3 or -1. I never looked for the scary equation and both the options gave me x=3 and hence will always give a unique value of the scary equation. :-D
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If \(x^2 = y + 5\) , \(y = z - 2\) and \(z = 2x\) , is \(x^3 + y^2 + z\) divisible by 7?

(1) \(x \gt 0\)
(2) \(y = 4\)


solve for the given eqn:

\(x^2 = y + 5\) , \(y = z - 2\) and \(z = 2x\)

we get
x=-1,+3
y= -4,4
z=6,-2

#1
\(x \gt 0\)
so x=3,y=4,z=-2
\(x^3 + y^2 + z\)
we get 49; yes
sufficeint
#2
\(y = 4\)
i.e x=3,z=-2
yes, sufficient
IMO D
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