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carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear.
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If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y? (1) 2x + y = 73 (2) 5x – 3y = 1 Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
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zest4mba wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1. 2x + y = 73 2. 5x – 3y = 1 Say x and y were both divisible by some number d. Then 2x + y would certainly be a multiple of d (if you add two multiples of d, you always get a multiple of d). Now we know from statement 1 that 2x + y is the number 73, so if 2x+y is divisible by d, then 73 must be divisible by d. But 73 is prime, so d could only be 1 or 73. Clearly d can't be 73, since then 2x +y would not equal 73, so the only possible value of d is 1, and thus 1 is the only common divisor of x and y. You can use the same logic for statement 2: If x and y are both multiples of d, then 5x  3y would need to be a multiple of d. But 5x3y = 1, so 1 is a multiple of d, and d must be 1. D.
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zest4mba wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1. 2x + y = 73 2. 5x – 3y = 1 This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible since \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) cannot equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\). So \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1. For example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1. So \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear.
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Bunuel, Is there a complete discussion on GCDs and LCMs on the forum? Can you please point me to the same? I am trying to recollect why is x y = GCD(x,y) x LCM(x,y)? Thanks
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Hi Bunuel, Can I hire your mind for my exam...? Well if I get a good grade, a large part of it would be due to you....Thanks. Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) can not equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear.



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Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
1) 2x + y = 73 2) 5x – 3y = 1
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Here I'm not sure that the answer is C because is true that we need of both statement to find possible values for X and Y. Infact statement 1 and 2 we do not have values for the variables (can be everything).
But it seems to be a trap answer...... If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?This is a classic "C trap" question: "C trap" is a problem which is VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient if both statements are taken together. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer. (1) \(2x+y=73\). Suppose GCD(x, y) is some integer \(d\), then \(x=md\) and \(y=nd\), for some positive integers \(m\) and \(n\). So, we'll have \(2(md)+(nd)=d(2m+n)=73\). Now, since 73 is a prime number (73=1*73) then \(d=1\) and \(2m+n=73\) (vice versa is not possible because \(m\) and \(n\) are positve integers and therefore \(2m+n\) can not equal to 1). Hence we have that GCD(x, y)=d=1. Sufficient. (2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1 (for example 20 and 21 are consecutive integers, thus only common factor they share is 1). So, \(5x\) and \(3y\) don't share any common factor but 1, thus \(x\) and \(y\) also don't share any common factor but 1. Hence, GCD(x, y) is 1. Sufficient. Answer: D. Hope it's clear. Hi, Thanks for the explanation. I m not so good in reasoning so I put the values and check. For example in statement 1 I just entered the values of y as 1,3,5,7 and I get the values of X as 36,35,34,33 respect. After checking 4  5 values I got to know that the gcf is 1. Please let me know if my strategy is good or not. Thanks,



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Awesome explanation Brunnel.
Vivek, i tried to solve by plugging in numbers. for (1) i plugged in 20,33 10,53 15, 43 and so on which satisfy the equation and noticed that none of the pairs have any common prime factors. So the GCF has to be 1.



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vivekdixit07 wrote: Hi,
Thanks for the explanation.
I m not so good in reasoning so I put the values and check.
For example in statement 1 I just entered the values of y as 1,3,5,7 and I get the values of X as 36,35,34,33 respect. After checking 4  5 values I got to know that the gcf is 1.
Please let me know if my strategy is good or not.
Thanks, Try to understand this: If something generic is established, you can plug in specific examples and use them e.g. if I say, "All boys are crazy." I can say, "Tom, a boy, is crazy." But the other way around may not always work. From certain examples, you cannot establish something generic. e.g. I cannot say, "Tom is crazy. Alfred is crazy. Ross is crazy. We can conclude that all boys are crazy." Here, you have tried to do something like this which is not good. We cannot blindly plug in numbers and establish that GCD will be 1. We could have missed some pairs where GCD may not have been 1. What you can do is plug in some numbers and then think why you are getting GCD = 1 in each case and whether it will be true for all pair of values. Check out Bunuel's explanation above. It's very important and you can expect to be tested on such concepts in GMAT.
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote: vivekdixit07 wrote: Hi,
Thanks for the explanation.
I m not so good in reasoning so I put the values and check.
For example in statement 1 I just entered the values of y as 1,3,5,7 and I get the values of X as 36,35,34,33 respect. After checking 4  5 values I got to know that the gcf is 1.
Please let me know if my strategy is good or not.
Thanks, Try to understand this: If something generic is established, you can plug in specific examples and use them e.g. if I say, "All boys are crazy." I can say, "Tom, a boy, is crazy." But the other way around may not always work. From certain examples, you cannot establish something generic. e.g. I cannot say, "Tom is crazy. Alfred is crazy. Ross is crazy. We can conclude that all boys are crazy." Here, you have tried to do something like this which is not good. We cannot blindly plug in numbers and establish that GCD will be 1. We could have missed some pairs where GCD may not have been 1. What you can do is plug in some numbers and then think why you are getting GCD = 1 in each case and whether it will be true for all pair of values. Check out Bunuel's explanation above. It's very important and you can expect to be tested on such concepts in GMAT. =============== Karishma, Bunuel, I solved the above problem in the following manner. Please let me know whether that is the right approach or not. 1) 2x+y=73=>y=732x As x & y are positive integers=> let x= 1 => y=71 x=2=> y=69 x=3=> y=67 => x & y have no common factors other than 1 in each cases. Sufficient 2) 5x3y=1=> y=(5x1)/3 As x& y are +ve integers for x= 2, y=3 x=5, y=8 x=8, y=13 => In each of the above cases, x & y have GCF=1. Sufficient ANS D



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monsoon1 wrote: I solved the above problem in the following manner. Please let me know whether that is the right approach or not.
1) 2x+y=73=>y=732x As x & y are positive integers=> let x= 1 => y=71 x=2=> y=69 x=3=> y=67 => x & y have no common factors other than 1 in each cases. Sufficient 2) 5x3y=1=> y=(5x1)/3 As x& y are +ve integers for x= 2, y=3 x=5, y=8 x=8, y=13 => In each of the above cases, x & y have GCF=1. Sufficient
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Ok, let me give you an example to show you that this approach alone is not good. Say, I change the first statement a little: 1. 2x + y = 35 As x & y are positive integers=> let x= 1 => y=33 x=2=> y=31 x=3=> y=29 x &y have GCF = 1 in each case. Does it mean they will have GCF = 1 only? What if x = 10, y = 15? These values satisfy 2x + y = 35 but the GCF is not 1. Point is, after how many values do you say that for all values GCF will be 1? Plugging in numbers can help you think straight but it may not give you the correct answer. That is why understanding the theory is important.
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Bunuel wrote: carcass wrote: If x and y are positive integers, what is the greatest common divisor of x and y?
(2) \(5x3y=1\) > \(5x=3y+1\) > \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers. Two consecutive integers are coprime, which means that they don't share ANY common factor but 1.
Answer: D.
Hope it's clear. Hi Bunnel, Could you please explain how \(5x\) and \(3y\) are consecutive integers? I'm confused on this part. Thanks!



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Maybe a silly question but how do we realize that these questions are trap questions and not simple questions. I must admit that though I got Bunuel's approach once I saw it , I will have never have been able to put that at first. During actual GMAT , I wonder if anyone will use this approach. Are there any obvious giveaways which could give a hint about thinking on different lines ? Do we have to see at what point in the exam is the question coming to be able to figure out whether it is a trap one or simple one ?



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himanshujovi wrote: Maybe a silly question but how do we realize that these questions are trap questions and not simple questions. I must admit that though I got Bunuel's approach once I saw it , I will have never have been able to put that at first. During actual GMAT , I wonder if anyone will use this approach. Are there any obvious giveaways which could give a hint about thinking on different lines ? Do we have to see at what point in the exam is the question coming to be able to figure out whether it is a trap one or simple one ? As I wrote both statements taken together are VERY OBVIOUSLY sufficient to answer the question. When you see such question you should be extremely cautious when choosing C for an answer.
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Exactly Bunuel.. That was a giveaway but again that would be contextual, right. For eg in a CAT like GMAT, if this question comes as the first question, cant one be presume it to be the simplest question which GMAC is using to slowly build up the adaptive level for the test taker. Obviously if it comes at the very end and one is going great guns then the concept of CAT will kick in and one will try and figure out the trick in it
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himanshujovi wrote: Exactly Bunuel.. That was a giveaway but again that would be contextual, right. For eg in a CAT like GMAT, if this question comes as the first question, cant one be presume it to be the simplest question which GMAC is using to slowly build up the adaptive level for the test taker. Obviously if it comes at the very end and one is going great guns then the concept of CAT will kick in and one will try and figure out the trick in it
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