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thanks VeritasPrepKarishma .
in this case, is b > 1 ?
my approach was as follows :


There is no reason why b must be greater than 1. It could be between 0 and 1 too. Say, b = 1/4

1. a > b^4 => a > 1/256
2. a > \(\sqrt{b}\) => a > 1/2

Since a is greater than 1/2, it must be greater than b^2 which is 1/16.

If b is between 0 and 1, \(b^2 < b < \sqrt{b}\). Since a would be greater than \(\sqrt{b}\), a would be greater than \(b^2\).
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My Approach:

a>b^2
my thoughts were - for this to be correct, a should be positive, no other thoughts.

now statement 2: a> \sqrt{b}
\sqrt{b}
This may be positive or negative.. Cannot say which one .
so Statement 2 Not Sufficient.

statement 1: a> b^4
This indicates that b is positive.
But this condition fails when 0<b<1
so Statement 1 Not Sufficient.

combining both, stmnt 1 clearly shows that if a>\sqrt{b} so indirectly implies that b does not lie between 0 and 1 and by statement 2 it implies that it is positive. So C is the answer.
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Is a > b^2 ?

(1) a>b^4

(2) \(a> \sqrt{b}\)

SOLUTION:

I LIKE Bunuel APPROACH FOR THIS KIND OF PROBLEM.

Statement 1) a>b^4.

for \(1<b:---\sqrt{b}--b----b^2---b^4.\). a is always right side of \(b^2\). ANS YES

For \(0<=b<=1: 0--b^4---b^2----b-----\sqrt{b}---\): a Can be on left or right side of \(b^2\).

Hence Insufficient.

Statement 2)\(a> \sqrt{b}\)

a and b are non negative.

for \(1<b:---\sqrt{b}--b----b^2---b^4.\) . a Can be on left or right side of \(b^2\)

Hence Insufficient.

Statement 1 and statement 2 together.


for \(1<b:---\sqrt{b}--b----b^2---b^4.\). from statement 1. a is always right side of \(b^2\). ANS YES

For \(0<=b<=1: 0--b^4---b^2----b-----\sqrt{b}---\). from statement 2. a is always right side of \(b^2\). ANS YES

Hence Sufficient.

ANS C.
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Is a > b^2 ?

(1) a>b^4

(2) a> \sqrt{b}

We know that exponents behave differently for numbers greater than 1 and for numbers between 0 and 1

(1) \(a>b^4\)
If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 1000, then we answer 'Yes'
If b = 1/4 (which gives b^2 = 1/16) and a = 1/20, then we answer 'No'
Not sufficient


(2) \(a> \sqrt{b}\)


If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 1000, then we answer 'Yes'
If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 3, then we answer 'No'
Not sufficient

Using both,
if b is between 0 and 1, \(b^2 < b < \sqrt{b}\). Since a would be greater than \(\sqrt{b}\), a would be greater than \(b^2\).
If b is 1 or greater, then, \(b < b^2 < b^4\). For a to be greater than \(b^4\), a will be greater than \(b^2\) too. So in any case, a will be greater than b^2. Note that we don't need to consider negative value for b since \(\sqrt{b}\) needs to be real.
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Answer (C)

We combine statements 1 and 2.

If 0 < b < 1:

Suppose a = 1/4 and that we consider the negative root of \(\sqrt{b}\).

b = 1/4 ---> -1/2 < 1/ 256 < 1/16 < 1/4 (\(\sqrt{b}\) < b^4 < b^2 < b)

From this, we cannot conclude that a > b^2.

Hence, the combination of both statements would not be sufficient and the solution would be option E.

Please share your views on this observation.
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Can anyone please answer to my previous post?
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Is a > b^2 ?

(1) a>b^4

(2) a> \sqrt{b}

We know that exponents behave differently for numbers greater than 1 and for numbers between 0 and 1

(1) \(a>b^4\)
If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 1000, then we answer 'Yes'
If b = 1/4 (which gives b^2 = 1/16) and a = 1/20, then we answer 'No'
Not sufficient


(2) \(a> \sqrt{b}\)


If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 1000, then we answer 'Yes'
If b = 4 (which gives b^2 = 16) and a = 3, then we answer 'No'
Not sufficient

Using both,
if b is between 0 and 1, \(b^2 < b < \sqrt{b}\). Since a would be greater than \(\sqrt{b}\), a would be greater than \(b^2\).
If b is 1 or greater, then, \(b < b^2 < b^4\). For a to be greater than \(b^4\), a will be greater than \(b^2\) too. So in any case, a will be greater than b^2. Note that we don't need to consider negative value for b since \(\sqrt{b}\) needs to be real.
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Answer (C)

We combine statements 1 and 2.

If 0 < b < 1:

Suppose a = 1/4 and that we consider the negative root of \(\sqrt{b}\).

b = 1/4 ---> -1/2 < 1/ 256 < 1/16 < 1/4 (\(\sqrt{b}\) < b^4 < b^2 < b)

From this, we cannot conclude that a > b^2.

Hence, the combination of both statements would not be sufficient and the solution would be option E.

Please share your views on this observation.

When the GMAT provides the square root sign for an even root, such as \(\sqrt{x}\) or \(\sqrt[4]{x}\), then the only accepted answer is the positive root.

That is, \(\sqrt{16}=4\), NOT +4 or -4. In contrast, the equation \(x^2=16\) has TWO solutions, +4 and -4. Even roots have only a positive value on the GMAT.
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Is \(a > b^2\) ?


(1) \(a>b^4\)

(2) \(a> \sqrt{b}\)


Hi Awli

A good Data Sufficiency question I say.

Question stem:
Is \(a > b^2\) ?

No other info is given for us to work with.

Statement 1:
\(a>b^4\)

Let a = 4, b= 1
Then, answer would be yes \(a > b^2\).

In second case, let a = \(\frac{1}{100}\), b= \(\frac{1}{10}\)
Then, although \(a>b^4\), \(a = b^2\); thus, the answer is no.

We can safely conclude that statement 1 is not enough to deduce the answer.

Statement 2:
\(a> \sqrt{b}\)

Let a = 10, b = 9
Then, answer would be no \(a < b^2\).

However, if a =\( \frac{1}{100}\)
\( and b = \frac{1}{100}\)

Then, yes \(a > b^2\).

Therefore, statement 2 is insufficient alone.

Applying both the statements together we get:

\(a>b^4\)
\(a> \sqrt{b}\)

It is clearly seen that in this scenario, \(a > b^2\)

I hope I made it elaborate enough. Is there anything anyone would like me to explain more??
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