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Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers


What's wrong with d?


To me, both E and D are potential candidates. However I would reject D for below reason-

from right handers' does not clear out the comparison between patterns whereas in E, use of a "from that of" makes the comparison clear.
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Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers

question compares the pattern of BO of left handers and right handers, use of word "that" conveys that the BO is different but we need the patterns. hence its wrong.
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willing to know why d is wrong

this question is from gmatpaper, so, we should study carefully
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There is a comparison here:

The pattern of brain organization of Left-handed people with the pattern of brain organization of Right-handed people.

The only answer which does that is choice (E). --> a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers.

Answer (D) is wrong, for it compares the pattern of left - handed people with right-handers. and not their pattern.

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Unable to understand why D is wrong.
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Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers


What's wrong with d?


VeritasKarishma & egmat Could you please explain what is wrong with D?
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The reason for disqualifying D seems to be ambiguity of pronoun 'that'. Wouldn't the same apply to option E then? Here also use of 'that' as a pronoun can be taken as ambiguous ? Kindly explain!
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The reason for disqualifying D seems to be ambiguity of pronoun 'that'.

Not really. D is missing on parallelism, since there is nothing parallel to right-handers', on the left hand side.

So, a construct similar to the one below, would be more palatable:

left-handers' pattern of brain organization is quite different from right-handers'.

By the way, that in D is used as a relative pronoun while in E as a demonstrative pronoun.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses various usages of "that", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
- (A) implies that ''right-handers'' belong to ''organization''. This implication does not make sense.
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
- has the same error as described in (A).
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers - has a comparison error; (C) compares ''a pattern'' to ''brain organization''.
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers' - the object of the possessive noun ''right hander's '' cannot be identified unambiguously.
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers - has no error. Hence, (E) is the right answer choice.
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eybrj2 wrote:
Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers


What's wrong with d?


VeritasKarishma & egmat Could you please explain what is wrong with D?


(E) is way better than (D).

In (D), I am unhappy with "... a pattern of brain organization that is ..."
Seems like the 'that clause' is modifying brain organization, not 'pattern'. But actually it is the pattern that is different.
Also, parallelism isn't great in (D). It needed to be "... left handers' pattern of ... is quite different from right handers'..."
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eybrj2 wrote:
Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers


What's wrong with d?


generis,

Hello generis, Could help with this question.

In E option, THAT is referring to what ?
Is "that of" referring to-->a Pattern
Is "that of" referring to --> brain organization
Is "that of" referring to -->a pattern of brain organization
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Can anyone help in eliminating A? In A we are simply comparing right handers with left handers with respect to pattern of brain organization.
Ram displays quite a different behaviour from sham. I don't think anything is wrong with this sentence. Please help.
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Can anyone help in eliminating A? In A we are simply comparing right handers with left handers with respect to pattern of brain organization.
Ram displays quite a different behaviour from sham. I don't think anything is wrong with this sentence. Please help.


Hi

What are we comparing here? We are comparing the pattern of brain recognition displayed by left handers to the pattern of brain recognition displayed by right handers.

Let us examine option (A): Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

This is of the form, "X is different from right handers", whereas I need X to be different from the pattern of brain recognition displayed by right handers. The two items being compared are not parallel and hence option (A) is incorrect.

Hope this helps.
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RiseAndShinee wrote:
eybrj2 wrote:
Left-handed people display quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers.

(A) quite a different pattern of brain organization from right-handers
(B) quite a different pattern from right-handers of brain organization
(C) a pattern quite different from the brain organization of right-handers
(D) a pattern of brain organization that is quite different from right-handers'
(E) a pattern of brain organization quite different from that of right-handers


What's wrong with d?


VeritasKarishma & egmat Could you please explain what is wrong with D?


(E) is way better than (D).

In (D), I am unhappy with "... a pattern of brain organization that is ..."
Seems like the 'that clause' is modifying brain organization, not 'pattern'. But actually it is the pattern that is different.
Also, parallelism isn't great in (D). It needed to be "... left handers' pattern of ... is quite different from right handers'..."


Please could you explain why the parallelism in (D) is not great? I see a simple noun "a pattern of..." compared to a possessive noun "right handers'. Isn't it true that a simple noun can be compared to a possessive noun? As highlighted in this OG question https://gmatclub.com/forum/because-fish ... 65362.html
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KarishmaB wrote:

(E) is way better than (D).

In (D), I am unhappy with "... a pattern of brain organization that is ..."
Seems like the 'that clause' is modifying brain organization, not 'pattern'. But actually it is the pattern that is different.
Also, parallelism isn't great in (D). It needed to be "... left handers' pattern of ... is quite different from right handers'..."


Please could you explain why the parallelism in (D) is not great? I see a simple noun "a pattern of..." compared to a possessive noun "right handers'. Isn't it true that a simple noun can be compared to a possessive noun? As highlighted in this OG question https://gmatclub.com/forum/because-fish ... 65362.html


In this question, I have a cleaner option and that makes all the difference. I have option (E) which has better parallelism. That is the reason I do not recommend studying for SC using stand alone cases and sentences. Whether something is correct or not depends on what else I have available. I look for the best option; it needn't be the only grammatically correct option. In fact, there are only a few things with black and white rules for what is correct and what is not.

P.S. - Whenever you put up a query, please do tag me. I often miss replies without mentions.
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milanshivhare007 wrote:
The reason for disqualifying D seems to be ambiguity of pronoun 'that'.

Not really. D is missing on parallelism, since there is nothing parallel to right-handers', on the left hand side.

So, a construct similar to the one below, would be more palatable:

left-handers' pattern of brain organization is quite different from right-handers'.

By the way, that in D is used as a relative pronoun while in E as a demonstrative pronoun.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses various usages of "that", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.


Hi EducationAisle,
Finally a clear explanation for what makes a deal between D and E. Thank you :please: :please: :please:

Do we have a rule for what "that" modifies, as a relative pronounce?
Per my understanding, "that" can modify "a pattern" or " brain organization" or "a pattern of brain organization", whatever makes logical sense. So even in D "that" somehow causes a pronounce ambiguity, right?
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Per my understanding, "that" can modify "a pattern" or " brain organization" or "a pattern of brain organization", whatever makes logical sense.

You are on the spot there.

The usage of that as a relative pronoun is quite "flexible" in this regard, since that can modify the noun/noun-phrase whichever makes logical sense.

Hence, I would not consider the usage of "that" in option D ambiguous.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses modifier issues of "that", their application and examples in significant detail. If you or someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
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