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What is the perimeter of rectangle $$ABCD$$?

(1) The longer side of the rectangle is 2 meters shorter than its diagonal

(2) The ratio of the shorter side of the rectangle to its diagonal is $$\frac{1}{3}$$
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What is the perimeter of rectangle ABCD?

(1) The longer side of the rectangle is 2 meters shorter than its diagonal. Given: $$a=d-2$$, where $$a$$ is the length of the longer side and $$d$$ is the length of the diagonal. Not sufficient on its own to get the perimeter.

(2) The ratio of the shorter side of the rectangle to its diagonal is $$\frac{1}{3}$$. Given: $$\frac{b}{d}=\frac{1}{3}$$, so $$d=3b$$, where $$b$$ is the length of the shorter side. Not sufficient on its own to get the perimeter.

(1)+(2) We have that $$a=d-2$$ and $$d=3b$$, so $$a=3b-2$$. Also from Pythagorean theorem $$a^2+b^2=d^2$$, hence $$a^2 -32a-32=0$$. We can get the value of $$a$$ (we'll have two solutions for $$a$$: one positive and another negative, hence not valid ) and therefore the value of $$b$$, so the value of the perimeter too. Sufficient.

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27 Nov 2014, 11:55
When I factor the above I get (b^2)-12b+4=0; is this correct? If so wouldn't we get (b+neg)(b+neg), yielding two positive roots?

If not can you please provide the steps to factor?

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01 Dec 2014, 06:09
JackSparr0w wrote:
When I factor the above I get (b^2)-12b+4=0; is this correct? If so wouldn't we get (b+neg)(b+neg), yielding two positive roots?

If not can you please provide the steps to factor?

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Yes. But the point is that for one of the positive values of b, a, which is 3b - 2, would become negative, hence not valid. Edited the solution.
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06 Feb 2016, 06:44
Hi guys,

can somebody explain why "a2+b2=d2" is "a2−32a−32=0"?! I cannot see where the 32 is coming from...

Thanks a lot!!!

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can somebody explain why "a2+b2=d2" is "a2−32a−32=0"?! I cannot see where the 32 is coming from...

Thanks a lot!!!

Substitute b = (a + 2)/3 and d = a + 2 into a^2 + b^2 = d^2 to get a^2 + ((a + 2)/3)^2 = (a + 2)^2 and simplify.
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05 Jul 2016, 22:46
Hi Bunuel,

Can you please validate my logic. Let breath be "X" then the diagonal is 3X and the Longest side is 3X-2. Now X^2 + (3X-2)^2 = 9(X^2)

Solving this equation we get X^2 - 12X+ 4 =0; using quadratic equation formula for roots ( -b+- (b^2-4ac) )/ 2a . Now we get the two roots as -6 (+/-) 4(sqrt 2) . But in both cases the roots are negative. Where am I making a mistake?

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06 Jul 2016, 07:33
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Hi Bunuel,

Can you please validate my logic. Let breath be "X" then the diagonal is 3X and the Longest side is 3X-2. Now X^2 + (3X-2)^2 = 9(X^2)

Solving this equation we get X^2 - 12X+ 4 =0; using quadratic equation formula for roots ( -b+- (b^2-4ac) )/ 2a . Now we get the two roots as -6 (+/-) 4(sqrt 2) . But in both cases the roots are negative. Where am I making a mistake?

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You should get $$6+4\sqrt{2}$$ and $$6-4\sqrt{2}$$ as the roots.
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06 Jul 2016, 07:55
Hi Bunuel,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I beg to differ with the solution. Even if the the roots are 6+4√2 and 6−4√2, then we have 2 positive roots meaning 2 values are possible for side x. Then we cannot determine the perimeter of the rectangle.

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06 Jul 2016, 07:58
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Hi Bunuel,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I beg to differ with the solution. Even if the the roots are 6+4√2 and 6−4√2, then we have 2 positive roots meaning 2 values are possible for side x. Then we cannot determine the perimeter of the rectangle.

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Equation for breath is x^2−12x+4 and the roots of this equation are 6 + 4*sqrt(2) = 11.656 & 6-4*sqrt(2) = 0.344 both of which are indeed positive

However when you substitute and solve for length ( = 3b - 2) , the second root will yield a negative value since ( 3* 0.344 - 2) = -0.968

Since length cannot be negative you can eliminate this value of b
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30 Nov 2016, 12:46
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when we get an equation like a^2 − 32a −32=0 , would you recommend solving the equation during the official test.. isnt it really time consuming..
Since GMAT isnt a calulation based exam.. Can we assume that one value will be positive and the other neg.

what would u personally suggest ?

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30 Nov 2016, 23:52
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Bunuel when we get an equation like a^2 − 32a −32=0 , would you recommend solving the equation during the official test.. isnt it really time consuming..
Since GMAT isnt a calulation based exam.. Can we assume that one value will be positive and the other neg.

what would u personally suggest ?

No, we cannot assume that. So, I'd still solve.

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21 Apr 2017, 10:37
Hi Bunnel,

Considering statements (1) & (2) separately,

Can't be both the statements will be sufficient on its own if I consider diagonal and one side of a rectangle as a right angle triangle with angles 45-90-45 ?

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21 Apr 2017, 10:41
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Hi Bunnel,

Considering statements (1) & (2) separately,

Can't be both the statements will be sufficient on its own if I consider diagonal and one side of a rectangle as a right angle triangle with angles 45-90-45 ?

Why would you assume that? We don't know whether it's true.
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21 Apr 2017, 10:48
As it is given the question ABCD is a rectangle and in a rectangle, the diagonal divides the angles into 45-degree.

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Kchaudhary wrote:
As it is given the question ABCD is a rectangle and in a rectangle, the diagonal divides the angles into 45-degree.

That's wrong. It's true only if a rectangle is a square.
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21 Apr 2017, 11:01
Agreed, thank you.

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09 Jul 2017, 12:00
Hi Bunuel

Is there a way to determine the sign of roots of a quadratic equation without solving the equation? By reading the above thread, it seems that there is not a simple way to determine the sign. However, I just wanted to confirm. Please reply.

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21 Sep 2017, 18:29
Hi Bunuel

Since you say it's better to solve (when we get an equation like a^2 − 32a −32=0, as we cannot assume that one value will be positive and the other neg.) Would you mind posting a complete resolution to this problem? i.e. including your calculations to get to the positive and negative (invalid) solution.

I am asking this as I think you might be doing the calculus in a much more straightforward way than I am.

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