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04 Nov 2005, 22:45
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I was just told today by someone at Kellogg's admissions office that they would require a TOEFL score with my application. This threw me for a loop because, well, English is my first language. I'm from Canada, for crying out loud, not from Timbuktu. (Not that there's anything wrong with Timbuktu, but I digress...)
They told me that because I'm from Quebec, they assume my first language is French. (They'd change their minds in a real hurry if they actually heard me speak French, but anyway...) Of course, as much as certain people would like it to be otherwise, Quebec is not (yet) a separate country... and anyway, I'm one of those "tête carré" Anglophones that the Francophones here love to hate. Now, suddenly, I'm not English-speaking enough to apply to university??? What gives?
So this throws a monkey wrench into things because I never intended to write the TOEFL. I mean, it's a test of English as a foreign language, right? Not for people who have grown up speaking English, went to all English schools, worked entirely in English... and scored 47 on verbal and 6.0 on AWA on the GMAT, to boot! Here I was thinking that being bilingual (trilingual actually) would be an asset, but I guess it's a liability.
I've written to them again to clarify the decision, but I just thought Quebec applicants ought to know: Don't assume that just because you're Anglophone, they will exempt you from the TOEFL. Apparently, against all logic... not.
They told me that because I'm from Quebec, they assume my first language is French. (They'd change their minds in a real hurry if they actually heard me speak French, but anyway...) Of course, as much as certain people would like it to be otherwise, Quebec is not (yet) a separate country... and anyway, I'm one of those "tête carré" Anglophones that the Francophones here love to hate. Now, suddenly, I'm not English-speaking enough to apply to university??? What gives?
So this throws a monkey wrench into things because I never intended to write the TOEFL. I mean, it's a test of English as a foreign language, right? Not for people who have grown up speaking English, went to all English schools, worked entirely in English... and scored 47 on verbal and 6.0 on AWA on the GMAT, to boot! Here I was thinking that being bilingual (trilingual actually) would be an asset, but I guess it's a liability.
I've written to them again to clarify the decision, but I just thought Quebec applicants ought to know: Don't assume that just because you're Anglophone, they will exempt you from the TOEFL. Apparently, against all logic... not.
05 Nov 2005, 04:02
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Interesting... I think it depends on the school then. I did not have to take the TOEFL when I went to LBS. I thought that if you could prove to them that you went to an english college, you would be fine 
05 Nov 2005, 11:55
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Thats interesting - whats your mother tongue? French?
Ofcourse, schools generally do not consider the medium of instruction as grounds for a TOEFL waiver - if thats the case, there is no need for TOEFL for students from India, for example.
Ofcourse, schools generally do not consider the medium of instruction as grounds for a TOEFL waiver - if thats the case, there is no need for TOEFL for students from India, for example.
