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# Probability - Confused with order

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14 Feb 2012, 17:45
Problem 1: Source Gmat Club

Set consists of all prime integers less than 10. If a number is selected from set at random and then another number, not necessarily different, is selected from set at random, what is the probability that the sum of these numbers is odd?

Set S =(2,3,5,7) . The question "what is the probability that the sum of these numbers is odd?" is equivalent to the question "what is the probability that one of these numbers is 2 while the other is not?".

P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

Problem 2: Source: Do not remember.

A certain business school has 500 students, and the law school at the same university has 800 students. Among these students, there are 30 sibling pairs consisting of 1 business student and 1 law student. If 1 student is selected at random from both schools, what is the probability that a sibling pair is selected.

First the probability of selecting one of the siblings from the business school is 30/500. After we have made that selection, the probability of selecting appropriate sibling from the law school is 1/800. Therefore the probability that we select a sibling pair is 30/500 * 1/800 = 3/40000

My question:

In problem 1, probability of selecting the first number 2 and probability of selecting second number 2 is found i.e.
P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

But, in problem 2, only probability of selecting first sibling from business school is found i.e.
(P(the first sibling from business school) * P (the second sibling from law school)) = 30/500 * 1/800 = 3/40000

Why two cases are not considered, similar to problem 1 i.e.

P(selecting sibling) = (P(the first sibling from business school) * P (the second sibling from law school)) + (P(the first sibling from law school) * P (the second sibling from business school))
= (30/500 * 1/800) + (1/800 * 30/500) = 3/20000

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14 Feb 2012, 19:33
Because there are 2 ways of choosing the desire outcome in the first problem. In the first Q you want one two. There is a 3/4 chance to not get 2 and a 1/4 chance to get two. If you don't get a 2 on the first row, you still have a probability to get 2 in the second row and vice versa for if you got two first. Since there is a 1/4 probability to get 2 in the first row and a 3/4 probability to get not 2 in the second row. So you add the total probability of the desire outcome.

For question 2. If you don't pick a twin on the first pick, then it doesn't matter what you pick in the second pick. There isn't any way to get the two different desirable outcomes. Unlike in the first example, if you don't get 2 there is another option to achieve the desire outcome. If you don't get a twin you can't get the desirable outcome period. So there is only one way to get the twins.

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14 Feb 2012, 21:06
Hi kys123,

1)
Similar to problem 1, there are two ways to pick siblings in problem 2 i.e.

First way is picking a sibling from business school and then picking a sibling from law school.

Second way is picking a sibling from business school and then picking a sibling from law school.

So why are we considering only one way in problem 2?

2) How to know for which question should we consider one or two case?

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14 Feb 2012, 22:19
agarwalmanoj2000 wrote:
Problem 1: Source Gmat Club

Set consists of all prime integers less than 10. If a number is selected from set at random and then another number, not necessarily different, is selected from set at random, what is the probability that the sum of these numbers is odd?

Set S =(2,3,5,7) . The question "what is the probability that the sum of these numbers is odd?" is equivalent to the question "what is the probability that one of these numbers is 2 while the other is not?".

P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

Problem 2: Source: Do not remember.

A certain business school has 500 students, and the law school at the same university has 800 students. Among these students, there are 30 sibling pairs consisting of 1 business student and 1 law student. If 1 student is selected at random from both schools, what is the probability that a sibling pair is selected.

First the probability of selecting one of the siblings from the business school is 30/500. After we have made that selection, the probability of selecting appropriate sibling from the law school is 1/800. Therefore the probability that we select a sibling pair is 30/500 * 1/800 = 3/40000

My question:

In problem 1, probability of selecting the first number 2 and probability of selecting second number 2 is found i.e.
P(the sum is odd) = (P(the first number is 2) * P (the second number is not 2)) + (P(the first number is NOT 2) * P (the second number is 2)) = (¼ * 3/4 ) + (¾ * ¼) = 3/8

But, in problem 2, only probability of selecting first sibling from business school is found i.e.
(P(the first sibling from business school) * P (the second sibling from law school)) = 30/500 * 1/800 = 3/40000

Why two cases are not considered, similar to problem 1 i.e.

P(selecting sibling) = (P(the first sibling from business school) * P (the second sibling from law school)) + (P(the first sibling from law school) * P (the second sibling from business school))
= (30/500 * 1/800) + (1/800 * 30/500) = 3/20000

First of all check Probability chapter of Math Book: gmat-math-book-87417.html

Next, see the discussions of the 1st questions:
set-s-consists-of-all-prime-integers-less-than-10-if-a-82170.html
m10-q-100026.html

Discussions of the 2nd question:
probability-85523.html
a-certain-junior-class-has-1000-students-and-a-certain-99046.html
in-a-room-filled-with-7-people-4-people-have-exactly-87550.html
a-certain-junior-class-has-1000-students-and-a-certain-87909.html

Now, for the 1st question we are interested in getting the odd sum: {Odd, Even} and {Even, Odd} are two different outcomes of favorable scenario and we should count both cases. For example {2, 3} is different case from {3, 2}: we can get the sum of 5 in two different ways, first chosen number is 2 and the second chosen number is 3 or first chosen number is 3 and the second chosen number is 2.

For the 2nd question we are interested in selecting a sibling pair. Suppose there are sibling pair A and A': {A, A'} and {A', A} are the same pair and no need to count them twice (favorable scenario is {A, A'}).

Hope it helps.
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15 Feb 2012, 22:22
Dear Bunnel,

In question 1, both {2, 3} and {3, 2} gives odd sum, and in question 2, both {A, A'} and {A', A} gives sibling pair. Why {2, 3} and {3, 2} are different but {A, A'} and {A', A} are same?

How to know in which case I need to count twice and in which case I need to count once? Is there some standard or rule?

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