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Ravi: The highest priority should be given to the needs of the sales dept., because without successful sales the company as a whole would fail.

Ed: There are several departments other than sales that must also function successfully for the company to succeed. It is impossible to give the highest priority to all of them.

Ed criticizes Ravi's argument by pointing out:

A. That the sales department taken by itself is not critical to the company's success as a whole.
B. The ambiguity of term "highest priority".
C. That the departments other than sales are more vital to the company's success.
D. An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority.
E. That Ravi makes a generalization from an atypical case.






















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I chose E, can anyone explain both of them for me? I'm getting confused about the necessity earns in choice D.

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A. That the sales department taken by itself is not critical to the company's success as a whole.Ed never says that the sales deptt is not critcal to company's success. He just says that there are other such departments which might be equally critical
B. The ambiguity of term "highest priority".We cant say that - Highest priority is not being questiones- Ed never argues what Ravi means by highest priority
C. That the departments other than sales are more vital to the company's success.Doesnt say more- he says they are 'also' necessary
D. An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority.Correct option - Just because a deptt is necessary doesnt mean that it gets highest prioirty. By that logic- Ed's argument explains- there would be multiple deptts which will nee to be given 'highest' priority- an absurdity which cannot be reaslised.
E. That Ravi makes a generalization from an atypical case.Ravi is not making any generalization - Ravi is very clearly and specifically arguing the case for Sales deptt only (that it should be given highest prioirty) Ravi would have been generalising if he would have said something like most critical deptt should be given highest prioirty, for example...etc. that is when he would have given a conclusion on the basis of a single case/example. This doesnt happen in the sentence..

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This is LSAT pattern. Critical does not mean highest. If it does the "priority" looses meaning since all be highest priority.

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Ravi:
The highest priority should be given to the needs of the sales department, because without successful sales the company as a whole would fail.
Ed:
There are several departments other than sales that must also function successfully for the company to succeed. It is impossible to give the highest priority to all of them

Ed criticizes Ravi's argument by pointing out:

A) That the sales department taken by itself is not critical to the company's success as a whole.
B) The ambiguity of the term "Highest Priority"
C) That the department other than sales are more vital to the company's success.
D) An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority
E) That Ravi makes a generalization from an atypical case.

This one is from Challenging Sets.

Request you to clear the following doubts

1- I narrowed down to A and D and then finally chose A, however it is incorrect. Can we negate the option A on the basis that option A is focusing on Subject Matter not on Argumentative Technique

2- I adopted the similar strategy to the question posted here-
mr-janeck-i-don-t-believe-stevenson-will-win-the-election-90932.html

However, answer turned out to be incorrect. I asked myself what question could have Ravi posted for which Ed providing an answer.
So, the answer turned out to be. i.e Ravi could have posted this question -
Sales department must function successfully for the company to succeed. Hence, it should be given highest priority.
This is what the answer A speaks.

Please let me know where I am going wrong.
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Ravi:
The highest priority should be given to the needs of the sales department, because without successful sales the company as a whole would fail.
Ed:
There are several departments other than sales that must also function successfully for the company to succeed. It is impossible to give the highest priority to all of them

Ed criticizes Ravi's argument by pointing out:

A) That the sales department taken by itself is not critical to the company's success as a whole.
B) The ambiguity of the term "Highest Priority"
C) That the department other than sales are more vital to the company's success.
D) An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority
E) That Ravi makes a generalization from an atypical case.

This one is from Challenging Sets.

Request you to clear the following doubts

1- I narrowed down to A and D and then finally chose A, however it is incorrect. Can we negate the option A on the basis that option A is focusing on Subject Matter not on Argumentative Technique

2- I adopted the similar strategy to the question posted here-
mr-janeck-i-don-t-believe-stevenson-will-win-the-election-90932.html

However, answer turned out to be incorrect. I asked myself what question could have Ravi posted for which Ed providing an answer.
So, the answer turned out to be. i.e Ravi could have posted this question -
Sales department must function successfully for the company to succeed. Hence, it should be given highest priority.
This is what the answer A speaks.

Please let me know where I am going wrong.


Why is (A) wrong?

The question stem asks you the method used by Ed to criticize Ravi. How did Ed criticize Ravi? Did he question Ravi's premises? Did he point out an assumption? Let's find out.

Ravi says that the sales dept MUST function properly for the company to succeed so it should get the highest priority.
Ed says that many other depts MUST function properly too for the company to succeed. You can't give highest priority to all.

Ed doesn't say that the sales dept is not critical. He only says that there are other depts too which are critical. Ravi made an assumption: If a dept is critical, it should be given the highest priority.
Ed points out the absurd consequence of this assumption: Since there are many depts which are critical, this would mean that all of them should be given highest priority. That's not possible. That's how he criticizes Ravi's statement.

The 'Mr Janeck question' is quite different. It asks you for Ms S's interpretation of Mr J's remark. This question asks you for the method used by Ed to weaken Ravi's argument.
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Thanks Karishma for the explanation. I can see why the Answer A is wrong, however I am still not sure whether I will be picking up D if this question comes up in exam as Answer choice A is artistically created... its so tempting to go for A... :-D
I would like to ask what strategy do you adopt for such question.. do you paraphrase before moving to answer choices or do you move to answer choices and then negate the options by referring to the stimulus.

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imhimanshu wrote:
Ravi:
The highest priority should be given to the needs of the sales department, because without successful sales the company as a whole would fail.
Ed:
There are several departments other than sales that must also function successfully for the company to succeed. It is impossible to give the highest priority to all of them

Ed criticizes Ravi's argument by pointing out:

A) That the sales department taken by itself is not critical to the company's success as a whole.
B) The ambiguity of the term "Highest Priority"
C) That the department other than sales are more vital to the company's success.
D) An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority
E) That Ravi makes a generalization from an atypical case.

This one is from Challenging Sets.

Request you to clear the following doubts

1- I narrowed down to A and D and then finally chose A, however it is incorrect. Can we negate the option A on the basis that option A is focusing on Subject Matter not on Argumentative Technique

2- I adopted the similar strategy to the question posted here-
mr-janeck-i-don-t-believe-stevenson-will-win-the-election-90932.html

However, answer turned out to be incorrect. I asked myself what question could have Ravi posted for which Ed providing an answer.
So, the answer turned out to be. i.e Ravi could have posted this question -
Sales department must function successfully for the company to succeed. Hence, it should be given highest priority.
This is what the answer A speaks.

Please let me know where I am going wrong.


Why is (A) wrong?

The question stem asks you the method used by Ed to criticize Ravi. How did Ed criticize Ravi? Did he question Ravi's premises? Did he point out an assumption? Let's find out.

Ravi says that the sales dept MUST function properly for the company to succeed so it should get the highest priority.
Ed says that many other depts MUST function properly too for the company to succeed. You can't give highest priority to all.

Ed doesn't say that the sales dept is not critical. He only says that there are other depts too which are critical. Ravi made an assumption: If a dept is critical, it should be given the highest priority.
Ed points out the absurd consequence of this assumption: Since there are many depts which are critical, this would mean that all of them should be given highest priority. That's not possible. That's how he criticizes Ravi's statement.

The 'Mr Janeck question' is quite different. It asks you for Ms S's interpretation of Mr J's remark. This question asks you for the method used by Ed to weaken Ravi's argument.

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imhimanshu wrote:
Thanks Karishma for the explanation. I can see why the Answer A is wrong, however I am still not sure whether I will be picking up D if this question comes up in exam as Answer choice A is artistically created... its so tempting to go for A... :-D
I would like to ask what strategy do you adopt for such question.. do you paraphrase before moving to answer choices or do you move to answer choices and then negate the options by referring to the stimulus.

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Method of reasoning questions are generally a little harder and a little difficult to figure. Generally, it is a good idea to paraphrase in your own words and think of what you are looking for in the options but it is a little harder to do in these questions. Nevertheless, (D) makes complete sense here. The higher level questions include options which tempt you. Try to stick to what is most logical.
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Thanks Karishma for the tip. :-)

Per your earlier response, prior to this one, can I safely assume that in Method of Reasoning questions, the criticizer of the argument will either crack the argument by exposing assumption or will question the argument's premises. If it is true, then it gets easier to think of this way then move to the options choices.

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imhimanshu wrote:
Thanks Karishma for the explanation. I can see why the Answer A is wrong, however I am still not sure whether I will be picking up D if this question comes up in exam as Answer choice A is artistically created... its so tempting to go for A... :-D
I would like to ask what strategy do you adopt for such question.. do you paraphrase before moving to answer choices or do you move to answer choices and then negate the options by referring to the stimulus.

Thanks
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Method of reasoning questions are generally a little harder and a little difficult to figure. Generally, it is a good idea to paraphrase in your own words and think of what you are looking for in the options but it is a little harder to do in these questions. Nevertheless, (D) makes complete sense here. The higher level questions include options which tempt you. Try to stick to what is most logical.

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imhimanshu wrote:
Thanks Karishma for the tip. :-)

Per your earlier response, prior to this one, can I safely assume that in Method of Reasoning questions, the criticizer of the argument will either crack the argument by exposing assumption or will question the argument's premises. If it is true, then it gets easier to think of this way then move to the options choices.

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Actually, no. If you have to criticize an argument, you are essentially trying to weaken it. You can weaken an argument in many ways (though, weaken focuses mainly on the conclusion but you can criticize an argument by questioning the premises too). These are just some things that came to my mind when I thought about 'criticizing'.
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Chose D.

Ravi states that company success is because of sales and needs of the sales department should be catered with highest priority.
Ed states that company's success depends on smooth working of many other departments as well and their needs should also be catered to. Highest priority cannot be given to all the departments.

An absurd consequence of its apparent assumption that a department's necessity earns it the highest priority - Correct Choice

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I was actually between B and D and wound up going with D.

I don't have a concrete explanation, but some of the others' reasoning makes sense. I guess "high priority" as a term isn't that vague.

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