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I will be applying to schools in the fall of 21' and so was beginning to prepare for the letter of recommendations since that has the most amount of external dependencies. I had a few options for recommenders and was confused about the same. I have experience in the field of electrical engineering in a metal & mining (manufacturing plant) and social-impact consulting in India. I present below the various options I could explore to ask for a recommendation and would love your advice on which two I should look at picking.

Arranged in chronological order of the ones I have worked with, please find the recommender profile, my experience with them and what qualities they could highlight:

1. Reporting manager at the metal & mining plant (1 year): My direct reporting manager who doesn't have a fancy MBA thinks highly of me and worked closely with him. Good rapport. Can attest to the initiatives I had taken during my time at the plant and also to my people management skills (managing 20+ semi-skilled workers to ensure operations of a large section of the plant)

2. Reporting manager at the social-impact consulting firm (1 year direct report and 1 year working together on initiatives): Holds an MBA from one of the best MBA schools in India. Great at writing and is a brand cheer-leader of mine. Can attest to my problem-solving, stakeholder management and team-leadership skills.

3. Principal at the social-impact consulting firm (6+ months reported to her on the same project): Had a good rapport with the Principal who holds an MBA from one of the M7 B-schools. Will be willing to write a good recommendation on my initiative, client-centricity and emotional maturity.

4. Head, CSR division at one of the FAANG (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Alphabet) -India division (Worked closely for 3-4 months): Collaborated very closely on the project and can attest to my diligence, learning capability compared to other peers in my designation

5. Managing Partner at one of the world's top VC firms (Think Khosla, Sequoia, etc)- India division (Worked closely for 6 months)
Collaborated on a Covid response initiative and can attest to my Leadership, problem solving and stakeholder management however no deep engagement on the personal front.

6. Managing Partner at my social-impact consulting firm (Worked together on and off for 2 years): Good writer and highly supportive. Although limited personal engagement, can attest to similar traits as the other potential recommenders.

Given these are the choices I am faced with, and my target schools are Wharton, Kellogg, Tuck, Yale Haas etc, which are the 2 recommenders I should approach for a recommendation letter? Any advice here will be super-helpful! Thanks in advance.

Hi varunpaul0505 - It's so great that you have so many options and that you're trying to figure this out now, to give your recommenders plenty of time! Are these listed in order of oldest to most recent or vice versa? It's unclear to me from your post where you currently work. You definitely want your current direct boss unless there are special circumstances. It sounds like either #1 or #2 is that person - is that correct? If so, you definitely want to include that person (both #1 and #2 sound like good prospective recommenders). As for your second person, I would follow the tips in this blog post -- although it's from some time ago, it is still accurate and I hope will be helpful for you as you make this choice:

4 Tips for Selecting the Right MBA Recommenders

In short, focus on who knows you the best, who cares the most about you succeeding and going to business school, and who can best differentiate you from other people at your level. Their own titles are much much less important than those things. If your prior job was not very long ago, I would consider choosing both #1 and #2, since they each seem to have worked with you most closely and the longest, can talk about you at two different companies, and will emphasize somewhat different things based on what you say. But if your old job was very long ago, you might want to select someone more recent for your second recommender. I hope this helps - feel free to reach out again with any additional questions. And best of luck to you!

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Hi again varunpaul0505 - just noticed your more complete bio in our other thread. Sorry I hadn't seen that yet when I responded here, but I do think my advice still stands. I'm leaning towards your choosing #1 and #2 (assuming #2 is your current boss) - provided they can emphasize somewhat different things to give a more complete picture of you, and hopefully can both emphasize how much better you are than your peers. Again, feel free to follow-up with any additional questions. And definitely check out the blog link I included. Best of luck!


Thanks a lot for going through my bio and providing me your recommendation. This is definitely useful to gain more clarity on the next steps. A follow up question I had however was that since I had worked with #1 between 2017 and 2018, will it be viewed less favourably since there would be a 3 year gap when I apply in R1 this year?

Also, please share your thoughts on the team-management part? I have heard from multiple people that team management experience in a consulting firm is not highly valued (given the quality of the personnel) as compared to perhaps managing semi-skilled workers at a manufacturing plant which involves a lot more persuasion and political savviness to navigate worker-unions etc? Should the team-management strength I developed at the metal manufacturing plant be highlighted?
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Thanks a lot for going through my bio and providing me your recommendation. This is definitely useful to gain more clarity on the next steps. A follow up question I had however was that since I had worked with #1 between 2017 and 2018, will it be viewed less favourably since there would be a 3 year gap when I apply in R1 this year?

Also, please share your thoughts on the team-management part? I have heard from multiple people that team management experience in a consulting firm is not highly valued (given the quality of the personnel) as compared to perhaps managing semi-skilled workers at a manufacturing plant which involves a lot more persuasion and political savviness to navigate worker-unions etc? Should the team-management strength I developed at the metal manufacturing plant be highlighted?


Hi again, varunpaul0505 - if I understand correctly, it's #1 who can best talk about your management experience at the manufacturing plant, is that right? I do think the complexities at the plant that you mention could definitely help you stand out amongst other candidates. Definitely talk about those elements in your essays, and I also very much like the idea of one of your recommenders being able to go into more depth as well, which is why I still think #1 and #2 are the best choice for you. Yes, more recent experience is generally a good thing, but #2 has current experience with you (is that right?), so I think I would rather see your two recommenders reflect these two very different jobs that you have had. At least that's my opinion. Also, I wouldn't say that consulting management experience is not valued, rather it is more common among other applicants. So the fact that you can demonstrate leadership in two very different environments will help you stand out and thus improve your chances.
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Thanks a lot for going through my bio and providing me your recommendation. This is definitely useful to gain more clarity on the next steps. A follow up question I had however was that since I had worked with #1 between 2017 and 2018, will it be viewed less favourably since there would be a 3 year gap when I apply in R1 this year?

Also, please share your thoughts on the team-management part? I have heard from multiple people that team management experience in a consulting firm is not highly valued (given the quality of the personnel) as compared to perhaps managing semi-skilled workers at a manufacturing plant which involves a lot more persuasion and political savviness to navigate worker-unions etc? Should the team-management strength I developed at the metal manufacturing plant be highlighted?


Hi again, varunpaul0505 - if I understand correctly, it's #1 who can best talk about your management experience at the manufacturing plant, is that right? I do think the complexities at the plant that you mention could definitely help you stand out amongst other candidates. Definitely talk about those elements in your essays, and I also very much like the idea of one of your recommenders being able to go into more depth as well, which is why I still think #1 and #2 are the best choice for you. Yes, more recent experience is generally a good thing, but #2 has current experience with you (is that right?), so I think I would rather see your two recommenders reflect these two very different jobs that you have had. At least that's my opinion. Also, I wouldn't say that consulting management experience is not valued, rather it is more common among other applicants. So the fact that you can demonstrate leadership in two very different environments will help you stand out and thus improve your chances.

This is super helpful StratusSoterios. I agree with your reasoning completely. Yes, #2 works with me but is not my current direct reporting manager. #2 used to be my direct reporting manager for ~1 year between 2019 and 2020. Currently, I report to someone different but I feel they do not work closely enough with me to be able to highlight my strengths well enough. I still report to #2 regularly on internal organisational initiatives such as proposal writing. Hope this will not be an issue?
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Thanks a lot for going through my bio and providing me your recommendation. This is definitely useful to gain more clarity on the next steps. A follow up question I had however was that since I had worked with #1 between 2017 and 2018, will it be viewed less favourably since there would be a 3 year gap when I apply in R1 this year?

Also, please share your thoughts on the team-management part? I have heard from multiple people that team management experience in a consulting firm is not highly valued (given the quality of the personnel) as compared to perhaps managing semi-skilled workers at a manufacturing plant which involves a lot more persuasion and political savviness to navigate worker-unions etc? Should the team-management strength I developed at the metal manufacturing plant be highlighted?


Hi again, varunpaul0505 - if I understand correctly, it's #1 who can best talk about your management experience at the manufacturing plant, is that right? I do think the complexities at the plant that you mention could definitely help you stand out amongst other candidates. Definitely talk about those elements in your essays, and I also very much like the idea of one of your recommenders being able to go into more depth as well, which is why I still think #1 and #2 are the best choice for you. Yes, more recent experience is generally a good thing, but #2 has current experience with you (is that right?), so I think I would rather see your two recommenders reflect these two very different jobs that you have had. At least that's my opinion. Also, I wouldn't say that consulting management experience is not valued, rather it is more common among other applicants. So the fact that you can demonstrate leadership in two very different environments will help you stand out and thus improve your chances.

This is super helpful StratusSoterios. I agree with your reasoning completely. Yes, #2 works with me but is not my current direct reporting manager. #2 used to be my direct reporting manager for ~1 year between 2019 and 2020. Currently, I report to someone different but I feel they do not work closely enough with me to be able to highlight my strengths well enough. I still report to #2 regularly on internal organisational initiatives such as proposal writing. Hope this will not be an issue?

Hi again, varunpaul0505. Most schools recommend using your current direct report as one of the recommenders unless you have a compelling reason not to -- you can use each school's optional essay to explain why you decided not to. I recently worked with a client who similarly felt her previous manager knew her better than her current one, so she explained that in her optional essay. And for what it's worth she got into three of the very top business schools. Thank you for the kudos, by the way - they are appreciated!
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This is super helpful StratusSoterios. I agree with your reasoning completely. Yes, #2 works with me but is not my current direct reporting manager. #2 used to be my direct reporting manager for ~1 year between 2019 and 2020. Currently, I report to someone different but I feel they do not work closely enough with me to be able to highlight my strengths well enough. I still report to #2 regularly on internal organisational initiatives such as proposal writing. Hope this will not be an issue?

Hi again, varunpaul0505. Most schools recommend using your current direct report as one of the recommenders unless you have a compelling reason not to -- you can use each school's optional essay to explain why you decided not to. I recently worked with a client who similarly felt her previous manager knew her better than her current one, so she explained that in her optional essay. And for what it's worth she got into three of the very top business schools. Thank you for the kudos, by the way - they are appreciated!

Hi again, varunpaul0505 -- In case you are still working on recommendation letters (and for anyone else who comes across this thread), Stratus recently published an updated blog post on recommendation letters, and also is offering a FREE webinar about them on May 19, 2021:

Blog post: Four Steps to a Five-Star MBA Recommendation

And register here for our FREE webinar at 7 pm ET on May 19, 2021: Tips for MBA Recommendations that will WOW the Admissions Committee

Hope this is helpful!