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And I am struggling, really hard with the exam prep. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I have given two mock tests of Experts' global and following were the scores- 580 (Q43 V27), 540 (Q44 V19).

I am focussing on the concepts and trying to focus more on learning than scoring. But getting slightly demotivated as the results are not so good.

My target schools are NUS and NTU so the destination is far away but I will stick to the road whatever it takes.

Any tips/directions from you guys would be appreciated. :please
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It might be a good idea to appear in an official mock test as well.
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Prasannathawait wrote:
And I am struggling, really hard with the exam prep. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I have given two mock tests of Experts' global and following were the scores- 580 (Q43 V27), 540 (Q44 V19).

I am focussing on the concepts and trying to focus more on learning than scoring. But getting slightly demotivated as the results are not so good.

My target schools are NUS and NTU so the destination is far away but I will stick to the road whatever it takes.

Any tips/directions from you guys would be appreciated. :please


It is quite clear that the Verbal section is pulling down your overall score considerably. Without neglecting what is working for you (quant), you ought to prepare a plan to handle the Verbal section. Analyze the two mock tests that you've taken and figure out your strengths and weaknesses in both the sections. I've heard the e-gmat verbal course is the go to course for non-natives struggling with the verbal section. Since you've decided to persevere no matter what, half the job is already done. Now slog it out for the rest. All the best!
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Hi Prasannathawait,

Based on your prior posts, you've improved a great deal over the last 3+ months (from a 320 to a 500 and now to a 540/580) - so you appear to still be doing well. Whether you need a GMAT Course or not will depend a great deal on your analysis of these recent results.

"Review" is an exceptionally important part of the GMAT training process; your ability to define WHY you're getting questions wrong is essential to defining the areas that you need to work on (and the specific things that you need to 'fix'). As such, I'd like to know a bit more about your last CAT (the 540). While a full Mistake Tracker would provide a lot more information, there are some basic questions that you should be able to answer (and the more EXACT you can be with your answers, the better):

After reviewing each section of this recent CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?
5) How many Verbal questions did you 'narrow down to 2 choices' but still get wrong?

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Hi Prasannathawait,

Based on your prior posts, you've improved a great deal over the last 3+ months (from a 320 to a 500 and now to a 540/580) - so you appear to still be doing well. Whether you need a GMAT Course or not will depend a great deal on your analysis of these recent results.

"Review" is an exceptionally important part of the GMAT training process; your ability to define WHY you're getting questions wrong is essential to defining the areas that you need to work on (and the specific things that you need to 'fix'). As such, I'd like to know a bit more about your last CAT (the 540). While a full Mistake Tracker would provide a lot more information, there are some basic questions that you should be able to answer (and the more EXACT you can be with your answers, the better):

After reviewing each section of this recent CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
1) Because of a silly/little mistake?
2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
3) Because the question was too hard?
4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?
5) How many Verbal questions did you 'narrow down to 2 choices' but still get wrong?

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Thanks a lot for the reply Rich. :please
You are right. I will now review the test in detail and find out why I got these questions wrong and what are the takeaways.
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Your suggestions will be appreciated here---> https://gmatclub.com/forum/your-one-advice-could-help-me-poor-gmat-scores-299072.html

1) Gmat prep: [620 Q48 V27], 2) Gmat prep: [610 Q47 V28], 3) Gmat prep: [620 Q47 V28],
4) Gmat prep: [660 Q47 V34], 5) Gmat prep: [560 Q37 V29], 6) Gmat prep: [540 Q39 V26],
7) Veritas Cat: [620 Q46 V30], 8) Veritas Cat: [630 Q45 V32], 9) Manhattan:[630 Q41, V35]
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Prasannathawait wrote:
And I am struggling, really hard with the exam prep. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I have given two mock tests of Experts' global and following were the scores- 580 (Q43 V27), 540 (Q44 V19).

I am focussing on the concepts and trying to focus more on learning than scoring. But getting slightly demotivated as the results are not so good.

My target schools are NUS and NTU so the destination is far away but I will stick to the road whatever it takes.

Any tips/directions from you guys would be appreciated. :please


It is quite clear that the Verbal section is pulling down your overall score considerably. Without neglecting what is working for you (quant), you ought to prepare a plan to handle the Verbal section. Analyze the two mock tests that you've taken and figure out your strengths and weaknesses in both the sections. I've heard the e-gmat verbal course is the go to course for non-natives struggling with the verbal section. Since you've decided to persevere no matter what, half the job is already done. Now slog it out for the rest. All the best!



Thanks Amit. I'll analyze the test now and will focus more on the verbal side.
Thanks alot.
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Your suggestions will be appreciated here---> https://gmatclub.com/forum/your-one-advice-could-help-me-poor-gmat-scores-299072.html

1) Gmat prep: [620 Q48 V27], 2) Gmat prep: [610 Q47 V28], 3) Gmat prep: [620 Q47 V28],
4) Gmat prep: [660 Q47 V34], 5) Gmat prep: [560 Q37 V29], 6) Gmat prep: [540 Q39 V26],
7) Veritas Cat: [620 Q46 V30], 8) Veritas Cat: [630 Q45 V32], 9) Manhattan:[630 Q41, V35]
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Hi Prasannathawait,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. First off, you should be proud that you’ve been able to improve from 320 to 580, so nice work, my friend. That being said, before providing specific advice, I have a few additional questions:

-- What is your GMAT score goal?

-- What resources are you using for your prep?

-- For how many hours a week are you studying?

-- When would you like to take your GMAT?

Once I learn a bit more about you, I can provide some detailed advice.

Good luck!
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What is your GMAT score goal? (700+)

-- What resources are you using for your prep? (Experts' global & OG19)

-- For how many hours a week are you studying? (21hours a week)

-- When would you like to take your GMAT? (February)

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1) Gmat prep: [620 Q48 V27], 2) Gmat prep: [610 Q47 V28], 3) Gmat prep: [620 Q47 V28],
4) Gmat prep: [660 Q47 V34], 5) Gmat prep: [560 Q37 V29], 6) Gmat prep: [540 Q39 V26],
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Hi Prasannathawait,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. First off, you should be proud that you’ve been able to improve from 320 to 580, so nice work, my friend. That being said, before providing specific advice, I have a few additional questions:

-- What is your GMAT score goal?

-- What resources are you using for your prep?

-- For how many hours a week are you studying?

-- When would you like to take your GMAT?

Once I learn a bit more about you, I can provide some detailed advice.

Good luck!



What is your GMAT score goal? (700+)

-- What resources are you using for your prep? (Experts' global & OG19)

-- For how many hours a week are you studying? (21hours a week)

-- When would you like to take your GMAT? (February)

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Your suggestions will be appreciated here---> https://gmatclub.com/forum/your-one-advice-could-help-me-poor-gmat-scores-299072.html

1) Gmat prep: [620 Q48 V27], 2) Gmat prep: [610 Q47 V28], 3) Gmat prep: [620 Q47 V28],
4) Gmat prep: [660 Q47 V34], 5) Gmat prep: [560 Q37 V29], 6) Gmat prep: [540 Q39 V26],
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Definitely agree with the others, take an official test, have a look at your breakdown and then work from there. It's a long process but you will get there!
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Hi, Prasannathawait

I’m sorry to hear that you are frustrated with your low score. I also recommend you to take official or at least GMAT prep test. There could exist another discrepancy in mock and the actual test results, considering that scoring algorithm of the official one could be a little bit different with that of mock test. Though variables such as physical condition can affect the test score, official test is still the most accurate indicator that shows your level. Also, I recommend you to analyze your mock test results and find out weaknesses, and then compare it with the actual test results. The weakness that is revealed in both mock and actual tests must be overcome. You‘d better prioritize solving them over the others. When reviewing and rebuilding Quant skills or base, there should be right strategies to improve your score effectively and efficiently.

As I look at your score, the very part that sways your score right now is verbal. Your verbal score is relatively low and not solid. To hit the score over 700, it is essential for you to focus on verbal. Supposing that you get solid Q43-44, over V43 is required to hit the score 700+. Don’t be hurry. Keep in mind that GMAT studying is long journey.

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Hi, Prasannathawait

I’m sorry to hear that you are frustrated with your low score. I also recommend you to take official or at least GMAT prep test. There could exist another discrepancy in mock and the actual test results, considering that scoring algorithm of the official one could be a little bit different with that of mock test. Though variables such as physical condition can affect the test score, official test is still the most accurate indicator that shows your level. Also, I recommend you to analyze your mock test results and find out weaknesses, and then compare it with the actual test results. The weakness that is revealed in both mock and actual tests must be overcome. You‘d better prioritize solving them over the others. When reviewing and rebuilding Quant skills or base, there should be right strategies to improve your score effectively and efficiently.

As I look at your score, the very part that sways your score right now is verbal. Your verbal score is relatively low and not solid. To hit the score over 700, it is essential for you to focus on verbal. Supposing that you get solid Q43-44, over V43 is required to hit the score 700+. Don’t be hurry. Keep in mind that GMAT studying is long journey.

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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look forward to it.
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4) Gmat prep: [660 Q47 V34], 5) Gmat prep: [560 Q37 V29], 6) Gmat prep: [540 Q39 V26],
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Hi Prasannathawait,

Thank you for reaching back out. First off, my friend, you are not going to be ready to take your GMAT by February, given that you need around a 260+ point increase in your GMAT score. My suggestion is to cancel that GMAT and wait to reschedule until you have sufficiency improved your quant and verbal skills and are hitting your 700+ score goal on your practice exams.

Now, regarding how you should study moving forward, since you are scoring around 540, it’s clear you lack the GMAT quant and verbal fundamentals you need for a 700+ score. So, you need to follow a structured and through study plan so you can individually learn each quant and verbal topic, starting with the foundations before moving to more advanced concepts. For example, if you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.

Each time you strengthen your understanding of a topic and your skill in answering questions of a particular type, you increase your odds of hitting your score goal. You know that there are types of questions that you are happy to see and types that you would rather not see, and types of questions that you take a long time to answer correctly. Learn to more effectively answer the types of questions that you would rather not see, and make them into your favorite types. Learn to correctly answer in two minutes or less questions that you currently take five minutes to answer. By finding, say, a dozen weaker quant areas and turning them into strong areas, you will make great progress toward hitting your quant score goal. If a dozen areas turn out not to be enough, strengthen some more areas.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken the Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each question type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the Economist, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, it is likely that you will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

So, work on accuracy and generally finding correct answers, work on specific weaker areas one by one to make them strong areas, and when you take a practice GMAT or the real thing, take all the time per question available to do your absolute best to get right answers consistently. The GMAT is essentially a game of seeing how many right answers you can get in the time allotted. Approach the test with that conception in mind, and focus intently on the question in front of you with one goal in mind: getting a CORRECT answer.

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