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# The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and

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The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms
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01 Mar 2011, 02:50
so as to is not wrong usage . why reject A
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01 Mar 2011, 02:57
I think 'so as to' is grammatically wrong usage.

so [adjective] as to [verb] is correct form.
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01 Mar 2011, 03:05
anyone agreeing to that ? please clarify ... btw D is the OA but no OE provided
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01 Mar 2011, 21:35
Imo, it's also "D", same reason as hellishbrain pointed out. I personally have never heard of "so as to".
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03 Mar 2011, 02:09
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"So as to" is wrong on the GMAT.

It needs So + Adjective + as to
e.g. ....so hot as to burn my mouth.

C) is wrong since "warm the room up" is unidiomatic. You "warm up the room".
E) B) awkward and lengthy as has already been pointed out above.
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Those whoe think that D is the answer , whats dose "they" in D option refers to ??

does it refers to Romans, walls or floors??
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04 Mar 2011, 18:10
amod243 wrote:
Those whoe think that D is the answer , whats dose "they" in D option refers to ??

does it refers to Romans, walls or floors??

"They: is not ambiguous as it refers to the subject of the previous clause which is Romans. Walls or floors are the objects.
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04 Mar 2011, 20:23
you clearly need the subject in the underlined part..."they"

D it is.
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04 Mar 2011, 20:46
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garima,

In Ron's words:

"this question is horrible. you should run away from this source as fast as you can. don't look back.

you could argue for any one of (a), (c), or (d) here. all are acceptable.
if this were an official problem, it would say something like "in order to warm the rooms".

:D is this from 1000 SC?

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The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms

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05 Mar 2011, 17:51
1000Series is always debatable but good if you run out of question bank.
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08 Mar 2011, 23:15
rohu27 wrote:
garima,

In Ron's words:

"this question is horrible. you should run away from this source as fast as you can. don't look back.

you could argue for any one of (a), (c), or (d) here. all are acceptable.
if this were an official problem, it would say something like "in order to warm the rooms".

:D is this from 1000 SC?

garimavyas wrote:
The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms

Could u post the link to the post in which Ron criticizes the source of this question.
Anyways whats the source of this question
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08 Mar 2011, 23:18
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/so-as-to-to-so-that-t8142.htmlRun Run Run
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09 Mar 2011, 08:33
Any concrete reason why C is wrong.
drifting,
are you saying that pronouns can not have objects as antecedents? Or do you mean that walls and rooms will only be referred by 'them' as a pronoun?
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20 Mar 2011, 05:05
garimavyas wrote:
so as to is not wrong usage . why reject A

I am with you.When you see 'so as to' construction, you got to make sure that who is the agent of action 'to verb'. If the agent of actions are same, keep as 'so as to',or introduce new subject to make it clear. In this question A is ok.
Check out the Question from OG below

Quote:
Climatic shifts are so gradual as to be indistinguishable at first from ordinary fluctuations in the weather.
(A) so gradual as to be indistinguishable
(B) so gradual they can be indistinguishable
(C) so gradual that they are unable to be distinguished
(D) gradual enough not to be distinguishable
(E) gradual enough so that one cannot distinguish them
Here OA is A coz subject is Climatic shifts of to verb

In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.

A ...
B and so could be married to
C to be married to
D so that he could marry
E in order that he would marry

Here Oa is D coz using so as to makes sentence ambiguous . (Either King Henry or Queen Catherine can be the agent of action of to verb i.e. to marry). So we introduce so that clause with new subject HE

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13 Oct 2011, 01:48
rohu27 wrote:
garima,

In Ron's words:

"this question is horrible. you should run away from this source as fast as you can. don't look back.

you could argue for any one of (a), (c), or (d) here. all are acceptable.
if this were an official problem, it would say something like "in order to warm the rooms".

:D is this from 1000 SC?

garimavyas wrote:
The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms

Agree with rohu...this is a very dubious question.
Garima, it would be great if you mention the source of your questions.

Thanks.
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13 Oct 2011, 19:37
I request moderators to remove this and other questions w/out OA. Un-necessary waste of time.
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14 Oct 2011, 09:29
My answer is D, same reasoning as hellish !!
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22 Oct 2011, 01:38
IMHO, extremely weird and un-GMAT like question.
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29 Oct 2011, 22:09
garimavyas wrote:
The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms

Thanks mundasingh for posting the link for Ron's reply. I also found a nice explanation of so as to usage on the link. Thought i'd post it here for everyone's review:

so as to : we need a verb after this.
so that : we need a subject after this, or u can say that a clause after so that.

now when you use "so as to", make sure there is only one AGENT before so as to.

here,
The ancient [Romans] piped hot water through [the walls] and under [the floors] so as to warm up the rooms

Can you see here we have 4 agents
romans
walls
floors
walls and floors

so This creates AMBIGUITY.

Best replacement of 'so as to' is 'so that'.
CLAUSE_1 so that CLAUSE_2
subject of CLAUSE_1 is subject of CLAUSE_2
so in ur question, "they" refers to Romans.

Its clear and the answer.
I hope it helps.

example:
I study a lot so as to score high on GMAT.
only one AGENT here, "I"
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