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The central issue before the court was how far the regulatory agencies should go in requiring better working conditions in factories.

a. in requiring better working conditions in factories
b. as far as requiring better working conditions in factories
c. in their requirement that factories should have better working conditions
d. as far as requiring that factories should have better working conditions
e. to require factories to have better working conditons
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Not sure what SC rule applies here. However, E looks the best among the lot.

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The central issue before the court was how far the regulatory agencies should go in requiring better working conditions in factories.

a. in requiring better working conditions in factories sounds alright
b. as far as requiring better working conditions in factories
c. in their requirement that factories should have better working conditions
d. as far as requiring that factories should have better working conditions
e. to require factories to have better working conditons awkward construction

A for me



OA is A.

Nihit... whats awkward in E ??
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how far X should go to is unidiomatic .

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amitdgr wrote:
Nihit wrote:
amitdgr wrote:
The central issue before the court was how far the regulatory agencies should go in requiring better working conditions in factories.

a. in requiring better working conditions in factories sounds alright
b. as far as requiring better working conditions in factories
c. in their requirement that factories should have better working conditions
d. as far as requiring that factories should have better working conditions
e. to require factories to have better working conditons awkward construction

A for me



OA is A.

Nihit... whats awkward in E ??


amit, whats the source of this question? How can you have better working conditions "in" factories? shouldnt you have better working conditions "at" factories?

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amit, whats the source of this question? How can you have better working conditions "in" factories? shouldnt you have better working conditions "at" factories?


bigtreezl, the source is spidey's notes ...
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also, mgmat idioms list:

requiring that xy
requiring x to y

A uses neither, E uses require x to y

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I am quoting Erin's explanation. For those who don't know him, he is the guy who runs testmagic.com and is an expert in GMAT/TOEFL

I am copying this from spidey's notes

Erin wrote:
Whew! What a tricky question! Both A and E are grammatically correct, but they have a very slight difference in meaning. For this question, we most likely want the meaning in A, not the meaning in E. And, whenever we have two options that are both grammatically correct, and the only difference is one of meaning, we MUST go with the original meaning. In other words, if A is grammatically correct, not wordy, redundant, awkward, etc., and another answer choice is also grammatically correct, not wordy, redundant, awkward, etc., we must go with A.

But I'm sure you want to know the meaning difference and the rule, right? Okay,

here you go:
I know you won't like this, but with this meaning, we use "in."

For example:
I want to know how far you will go in helping me.

I think you remember from class that we talked about "helpful" + "in," right? Well, this is very similar--"helping me" is a process. In this sentence, I am wondering how long you would stay with me while you are helping me, how many different things you would do to help me. For example, would you break the law while you are helping me if you thought I would benefit? Would you ignore your friends and family while you are helping me?

Again: During the process, how much would you do?
(A) has a similar meaning in this sentence.


Let's now look at the meaning of E.
I want to know how far you will go to help me.

In this sentence, we are using the infinitive of purpose, which we use to express a goal. If I use this structure, I am wondering how much effort you would expend to help me. In other words, would you come to me at midnight? Would you travel 50 miles, 100 miles, 1,000 miles to help me? Would you spend all your time and money to come to help me? Would you give up your job, health, and family to help me?

Again: How much would you do to be able to be in a situation to help me??

I know that these two are very, very close in meaning, but read what I've written very carefully, and be sure to post back with any further questions!

HTH!!
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even in the above explanation, I still see no clear cut reason to pick A

according to above explanation,
regulatory agencies to require factories to....= how much time and how many resources

according to explanation, what does in requiring mean?

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even in the above explanation, I still see no clear cut reason to pick A

according to above explanation,
regulatory agencies to require factories to....= how much time and how many resources

according to explanation, what does in requiring mean?


That is why I posted this question .... because I am not able to see "Why A?" :(
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I am quoting Erin's explanation. For those who don't know him, he is the guy who runs testmagic.com and is an expert in GMAT/TOEFL

I am copying this from spidey's notes

Erin wrote:
Whew! What a tricky question! Both A and E are grammatically correct, but they have a very slight difference in meaning. For this question, we most likely want the meaning in A, not the meaning in E. And, whenever we have two options that are both grammatically correct, and the only difference is one of meaning, we MUST go with the original meaning. In other words, if A is grammatically correct, not wordy, redundant, awkward, etc., and another answer choice is also grammatically correct, not wordy, redundant, awkward, etc., we must go with A.

But I'm sure you want to know the meaning difference and the rule, right? Okay,

here you go:
I know you won't like this, but with this meaning, we use "in."

For example:
I want to know how far you will go in helping me.

I think you remember from class that we talked about "helpful" + "in," right? Well,
this is very similar--"helping me" is a process. In this sentence, I am wondering how long you would stay with me while you are helping me, how many different things you would do to help me. For example, would you break the law while you are
helping me if you thought I would benefit? Would you ignore your friends and family while you are helping me? Again: During the process, how much would you do?
(A) has a similar meaning in this sentence.


Let's now look at the meaning of E.
I want to know how far you will go to help me.

In this sentence, we are using the infinitive of purpose, which we use to express a goal. If I use this structure, I am wondering how much effort you would expend to help me. In other words, would you come to me at midnight? Would you travel 50 miles, 100 miles, 1,000 miles to help me? Would you spend all your time and money to come to help me? Would you give up your job, health, and family to help me?

Again: How much would you do to be able to be in a situation to help me??

I know that these two are very, very close in meaning, but read what I've written very carefully, and be sure to post back with any further questions!

HTH!!
Erin


Nice one but still why the idiom "require x to y" in E is rulled out by A?
is the idiom "require x to y" in its correct form in E?
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Excellent OE. The difference between A and E is that in A, "how far the regulatory agencies should go " is the sub-ordinate clause of "in requiring better working conditions in factories" whereas in E, it is vice versa and hence the meaning changes in E.

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In A, "requiring better working conditions in factories" is already happening and "how far the regulatory agencies should go" is supporting the happening.

In E, "how far the regulatory agencies should go" will enable "to require factories to have better working conditons".

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Nice one but still why the idiom "require x to y" in E is rulled out by A?
is the idiom "require x to y" is in correct form in E?


E. to require factories to have better working conditons

i guess "to require x to y" as it is in E is wrong ....

And we know that when we use "require x to y" we are not supposed to use "should" ...
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Between A and E, I chose A.

I just crossed my fingers :lol:

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Sentence is in past tense and why to switch to present perfect tense – Eliminate C, D and E

a. in requiring better working conditions in factories [ go in requiring seems more idiomatic – hold]
b. as far as requiring better working conditions in factories
c. in their requirement that factories should have better working conditions
d. as far as requiring that factories should have better working conditions
e. to require factories to have better working conditons


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I learnt a rule yesterday that gerund cannot be replaced with infinitive as they have different meaning.

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I learnt a rule yesterday that gerund cannot be replaced with infinitive as they have different meaning.


There are many sentences in which ing is replaced with infinitive. Are you talking about a specific subset?

As far as this Q is concerned I was down to A & E, picked E even though I did not like the first to. I felt that E is idiomatic even thought it did not look/sound right.

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