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Hi TargetMBA007,
Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

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Thanks Rich,

Please find my response below:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied? How many hours do you typically study each week?
- About 5 Months in total, averaging 3hrs/Day.

2) What study materials have you used so far?
- I started off with Dominate the GMAT Course
- Target TTP for Quant (50% complete)
- e-Gmat for Verbal (Just finished SC so far).

3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
- I took my last mock a long time ago, whilst I was right at the beginning of my studies (before I started with TTP or e-Gmat and my scores were in 600-610 range with an almost equal score in Verbal and Quant but I spent significantly more time on Quant (85% of my total time).

Goals:
4) What is your overall goal score?
710+

5) When are you planning to take the GMAT?
Ideally by end of Nov, but my last deadline is 26 Dec (Before round 2 applications for Major schools)

6) When are you planning to apply to Business School and what Schools are you planning to apply to?
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Hi TargetMBA007,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. So first off, I’d like to address your timing issues with GMAT verbal.

The first thing to understand is that timing on the GMAT, as in life, improves as your knowledge, understanding, and skills improve. Timing does not improve simply by “trying to go faster.” In fact, when people try to force speed before they’re ready to go faster, they tend to end up making a significant number of preventable mistakes. Sometimes these mistakes badly erode people’s test scores. In addition, when people rush learning -- a common pathology of those trying to force speed -- they actually never end up developing the speed they seek. One of the great paradoxes of learning is that to develop speed, a student must slow down to ensure that he or she masters the material.

The key takeaway is that as you develop stronger GMAT verbal skills, better timing will follow. In fact, a great way to know how well you have mastered a particular topic is to be cognizant of how you react when seeing a question involving that topic. For instance, consider the following simple question, which might be challenging for someone just beginning to work on Sentence Correction:

The researchers traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys while swinging through the trees, using their hands, feet, and tails.
(A) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys while swinging

(B) traveling into the rainforest, observing monkeys that were swinging

(C) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys, swinging

(D) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys, which swing

(E) were traveling into the rainforest to observe monkeys in order to swing

Looking at this question, a test-taker might quickly see that choice (B) can be eliminated because the version created via the use of (B) has no main verb, and that choice (E) can be eliminated because the version created via the use of (E) conveys the nonsensical meaning that the researchers were traveling into the rainforest in order for the researchers to swing through the trees, using their hands, feet and tails.

Then, having eliminated those two choices, the test-taker could end up using a lot of time circling through choices (A), (C), and (D), not sure what’s wrong with any of them.

However, a person who has studied modifiers would know that, when a closing “–ing” modifier is preceded by a comma or begins with preposition, such as “while,” that “–ing” modifier targets the preceding subject verb combination. So, a person with that knowledge would quickly recognize that “while swinging …,” in (A), and “swinging” preceded by a comma, in (C), target the subject and verb of the preceding clause, which are “researchers traveled,” Thus, that person would see that (A) and (C) convey the illogical meaning that the researchers were swinging through the trees, using their hands, feet, and tails, and that, therefore, the only choice that works is (D).

Although this is just one example of many, you see that you must have many tools in your toolbox to efficiently attack each GMAT verbal question that comes your way. As you gain these skills, you will get faster.

With all that being said, you may need some more time to improve your GMAT verbal skills, but I’d consider taking your GMAT at a later date.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reach out.

Good luck!
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Thanks Scott,

Totally agree with that, there is absolutely no alternative to diving deep into the content and solving a lot of practice questions, something I am very conscious of and trying to do. At the same time, I am very open to any best practices/resources you may have to recommend to ensure I am investing my time in the right direction in terms of this specific issue.

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Hi TargetMBA007,

To start, you have given yourself plenty of time to study - which is great. That having been said, if it's really been that long since you took a FULL-LENGTH CAT, then you should plan to take one soon (perhaps this weekend). At this point, we have no idea what you should be spending extra study time on - so the data from that FULL CAT will give us context for how well your studies have helped you to deal with each section of the Test. On you have that Score, you should post back here and we can discuss the results and how you might best proceed with your studies.

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Hi TargetMBA007,

I’m glad you reached out, and I’m happy to help. So first off, I’d like to address your timing issues with GMAT verbal.

The first thing to understand is that timing on the GMAT, as in life, improves as your knowledge, understanding, and skills improve. Timing does not improve simply by “trying to go faster.” In fact, when people try to force speed before they’re ready to go faster, they tend to end up making a significant number of preventable mistakes. Sometimes these mistakes badly erode people’s test scores. In addition, when people rush learning -- a common pathology of those trying to force speed -- they actually never end up developing the speed they seek. One of the great paradoxes of learning is that to develop speed, a student must slow down to ensure that he or she masters the material.

The key takeaway is that as you develop stronger GMAT verbal skills, better timing will follow. In fact, a great way to know how well you have mastered a particular topic is to be cognizant of how you react when seeing a question involving that topic. For instance, consider the following simple question, which might be challenging for someone just beginning to work on Sentence Correction:

The researchers traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys while swinging through the trees, using their hands, feet, and tails.
(A) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys while swinging

(B) traveling into the rainforest, observing monkeys that were swinging

(C) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys, swinging

(D) traveled into the rainforest to observe monkeys, which swing

(E) were traveling into the rainforest to observe monkeys in order to swing

Looking at this question, a test-taker might quickly see that choice (B) can be eliminated because the version created via the use of (B) has no main verb, and that choice (E) can be eliminated because the version created via the use of (E) conveys the nonsensical meaning that the researchers were traveling into the rainforest in order for the researchers to swing through the trees, using their hands, feet and tails.

Then, having eliminated those two choices, the test-taker could end up using a lot of time circling through choices (A), (C), and (D), not sure what’s wrong with any of them.

However, a person who has studied modifiers would know that, when a closing “–ing” modifier is preceded by a comma or begins with preposition, such as “while,” that “–ing” modifier targets the preceding subject verb combination. So, a person with that knowledge would quickly recognize that “while swinging …,” in (A), and “swinging” preceded by a comma, in (C), target the subject and verb of the preceding clause, which are “researchers traveled,” Thus, that person would see that (A) and (C) convey the illogical meaning that the researchers were swinging through the trees, using their hands, feet, and tails, and that, therefore, the only choice that works is (D).

Although this is just one example of many, you see that you must have many tools in your toolbox to efficiently attack each GMAT verbal question that comes your way. As you gain these skills, you will get faster.

With all that being said, you may need some more time to improve your GMAT verbal skills, but I’d consider taking your GMAT at a later date.

If you have any further questions, feel free to reach out.

Good luck!
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Thanks Scott,

Totally agree with that, there is absolutely no alternative to diving deep into the content and solving a lot of practice questions, something I am very conscious of and trying to do. At the same time, I am very open to any best practices/resources you may have to recommend to ensure I am investing my time in the right direction in terms of this specific issue.

Cheers

Well, TTP now has verbal. Why don't you check out the course?
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Hi TargetMBA007,

To start, you have given yourself plenty of time to study - which is great. That having been said, if it's really been that long since you took a FULL-LENGTH CAT, then you should plan to take one soon (perhaps this weekend). At this point, we have no idea what you should be spending extra study time on - so the data from that FULL CAT will give us context for how well your studies have helped you to deal with each section of the Test. On you have that Score, you should post back here and we can discuss the results and how you might best proceed with your studies.

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Hi Rich,

I actually a Mock scheduled for mid-next week, so I will report back once I have the updated score. One thing I have found with tests on GMAT Prep is that, while you get authentic questions, the quality of the data you get is not great. Are there any other tools you recommend for Mock Tests that give you a more detailed analysis of your results, so you can target weak areas better?

ScottTargetTestPrep - Yeah, that's actually on my list.

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Hi TargetMBA007,

While the most realistic CATs available are the 6 from GMAC, retaking a CAT that you've already taken is NOT a realistic way to assess your skills - since you will likely see some 'repeat' questions that you have already faced. Unfortunately, seeing even a couple of repeats can 'throw off' the Scoring Algorithm and impact your pacing, energy levels, fatigue, etc. (meaning that they would likely all appear to be better than they actually are). Thankfully, the CATs from Kaplan, MGMAT and Veritas are all 'close enough' to the real thing that they will provide you with a relatively realistic score assessment (assuming that you correctly take the CAT in a realistic fashion) - and they all include additional data points that we can use to 'nitpick' your performances in more detail - so you might want to use some of those CATs (along with the remaining NEW Official CATs you have) during this next phase of your studies.

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Hi Rich,

True, I am aware of that, I still have unutilized GMAT Prep tests left, so repeated questions isn't my primary concern at this stage. My main concern was really about the detailed analytics I can get from 3rd party solutions to better target problem areas as GMAT Prep hardly provides much useful data. I will check out these other offerings as well, which should come in handy once I have exhausted official GMAT Prep tests.
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Hi Rich,

Sorry it's taken me a reply to get back on this. I took the test on 29th Aug and my results are as below

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* I didn't count the guesses in my analyis of correct % or DS/PS.

Main challenges I find are
* Quant - DS questions - I don't feel, I have a solid framework for DS yet, even though the scores for DS and PS look similar here overall based on my TTP stats I have a lot more issues with DS. I feel my concepts are not bad but I mess up DS questions because I don't have a good way to organize my notes or a proper step by step framework to solve these. Any resources/frameworks/note-taking strategies or tips here would be useful. For quant I am at about 50% of my TTP course, so feel I can definitely get this up too, once I finish the course but I feel I might be running out of time, as I aim to take the test around Mid-Nov (although I can go in as late as Late Dec, as I intend to apply for R2 of MSX). Would you recommend delaying this right till the end?

* Verbal - I feel I can easily raise my score significantly here as I have only devoted 10% of my time to CR practice till now and feel there is a lot of scope for improvement here once I have finished the courses. At the time of this test, I had only finished SC component of my course.

My strategy from here is:
* Finish the CR and RC components of my course (Using TTP and e-Gmat)
* Work on a DS framework that is repeatable and minimizes error.
* Finish remaining quant modules (Work/distance/geometry/probability, etc.).
* Once finished with the above, hire a private tutor towards the end for advanced strategy, timing strategies and plug in any holes.

I would appreciate your suggestions on the strategy in general too and any advice you may have.

Thanks
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Hi TargetMBA007,

I've sent you a PM with some additional notes.

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