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#Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists

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#Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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16 Dec 2015, 10:01
IMO answer is 'D' as it says that Marx is German philosopher but not idealist.
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 12:15
IMO answer is 'D' as it says that Marx is German philosopher but not idealist.

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 12:20
I am surprised after seeing the answer.

Isn't option 'E' says that aside from Marx, who is a philosopher, all other Germans are idealist. We want an option that says 'All other German Philosophers are idealists'. Is there any gap in my understanding?
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 12:36
Divyadisha Read the question stem again, it says "From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?" i guess this is the key.
You don't want an option that says 'All other German Philosophers are idealists' instead you want an option which infers to this, basically you need an assumption. Does this make any value to you.

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 12:39
I got stuck between D and E.
Although E seems good and probably correct answer, I could not understand why D is wrong.
Marx is a German philosopher who is not Idealist. Then how can D be wrongly inferred?

Here is how it is

Were are told that
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.
Marx may not be a complete idealist but He can be a normal human with some flaws and good qualities.
This does not mean that
Marx is not an idealist German philosopher. This is an extreme inference.
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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ssprabhjot wrote:
Divyadisha Read the question stem again, it says "From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?" i guess this is the key.
You don't want an option that says 'All other German Philosophers are idealists' instead you want an option which infers to this, basically you need an assumption. Does this make any value to you.

ssprabhjot, Option E is not inferring that all Germans Philosophers are idealists; however, it infers that all Germans are idealists (there is no mention of Philosophers expect Marx)
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 19:34
see here is the difference, you don't have to infer any option out of this argument. you have to choose an option which infers you the argument that is what question stem says "From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?" agreed option E doesn't talk about all german philosophers but instead it takes a bigger "all germans" so this fulfills the requirement.

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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17 Dec 2015, 21:17
E doesn't make sense at all.
We cannot draw conclusion about all Germans from given info about German philosphers.
Has to be 'D'

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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18 Dec 2015, 00:42
Ok so I am going to write it simple now. As per my understanding question stem is not asking you to conclude anything, it is to find an option which acts as an assumption so that above meaning argument in the question can be inferred. Does this make clear.

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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The question is asking you to spot the assumption after stating the inference.

"
All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

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Let's observe E. It states unambiguously that if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist, the exception being Marx.

So, All Germans -> idealist -> barring Marx

The inference is that all 'German philosophers', therefore, except for Marx, are idealists. We are 'inferring' that all German philosophers are idealists and that Marx is the only exception.

The problem with 'D' is that we cannot 'infer' what is stated. How can you arrive at "All German philosophers, except for Marx, are idealists." from "Marx is not an idealist German philosopher."?

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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choice (E) is missing the word philosopher ,
search on the internet the question and Kaplan together the google books link will clarify your questions
also search the question on beat the GMAT you ll find the correct wording there

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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For all friends who think that choice E is missing the word 'philosopher'... Pls realize that the correct answer choice has to be the precursor of the question prompt. In other words the prompt should be the inference of the answer choice This is a great Q, though a bit unusual. Pls refer the figure.. hope it helps you

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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21 Dec 2015, 13:45
Isn't Marx German? How can E be correct? All Germans cannot be idealists...

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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dina98 wrote:
Isn't Marx German? How can E be correct? All Germans cannot be idealists...

Yes, Marx is a German philosopher, but he is the only exception who is not an idealist. So, I placed him separately as a star, for understanding's sake.

I think you are trying to derive an answer choice from the question stem, whereas the Q asks us to find a choice from which the author's claim should follow. Think about it, if E is true the author's claim HAS to be true.

Hope it helps.
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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dina98 wrote:
Isn't Marx German? How can E be correct? All Germans cannot be idealists...

Yes, Marx is a German philosopher, but he is the only exception who is not an idealist. So, I placed him separately as a star, for understanding's sake.

I think you are trying to derive an answer choice from the question stem, whereas the Q asks us to find a choice from which the author's claim should follow. Think about it, if E is true the author's claim HAS to be true.

Hope it helps.
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Hahaha.... this question has a amazing trap. Read the question properly. it states that "from which statement the ABOVEcan be inferred". This means from one of the answer choices we have to infer our question stem. If All Germans are idealists. Then we can infer that all german philosophers are idealists expect Marx"

Hope this helps dude!

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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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b9n920 wrote:
dina98 wrote:
Isn't Marx German? How can E be correct? All Germans cannot be idealists...

Yes, Marx is a German philosopher, but he is the only exception who is not an idealist. So, I placed him separately as a star, for understanding's sake.

I think you are trying to derive an answer choice from the question stem, whereas the Q asks us to find a choice from which the author's claim should follow. Think about it, if E is true the author's claim HAS to be true.

Hope it helps.
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Hahaha.... this question has a amazing trap. Read the question properly. it states that "from which statement the ABOVEcan be inferred". This means from one of the answer choices we have to infer our question stem. If All Germans are idealists. Then we can infer that all german philosophers are idealists expect Marx"

Hope this helps dude!

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10 Feb 2017, 03:10
no doubt why i am not scoring 700 yet !!!

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This one was tricky one indeed ... thanks for posting the question ....
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Re: #Top150 CR: All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists [#permalink]

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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

A. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

B. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

C. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

D. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

E. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Question is stated wrong... Choice E should say: E) Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist.

Can you fix this Bunuel ?

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