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......AMENl!!!
well said Mbahopesful, you have me itching to throw on my black leather trench coat, shades, leather gloves, and pick my fro' back out with that one!!.....I 100% agree, I hope I wasn't coming across like the gmat was one of my major hot buttons, I just didn't think this forum was a realistic representation of the general CGSM pool... I've been looking at the consortium for about 8 years now... (yes I said 8 years, yes I'm old) since about 2003 and at the beginning 600 was the average gmat score of the group of individuals that I talked to who were accepted, and accepted to great schools... and I talked to a lot of people (close to 20)... and now people are ashamed to talk about their score if it is less than 700, but the candidates have not seemed any more or less impressive, some just dedicated larger chucks of their life to taking this test if they had those chunks to give......I still believe the balance of your package is most important.
My life is past the stage where I take heed of harnessed myopia at the pursuit of goal attainment... wish it wasn't, but hey, much like what Mbahopesful said.... I would hope adcoms don't neglect reading and at least trying to read the totality of my character and my potential impact on whether or not I know how to FOIL a f@#*ing equation in 2 mins or less.....
But even I may go back to the drawing board in terms of the gmat just incase of the dreaded waitlist
well said Mbahopesful, you have me itching to throw on my black leather trench coat, shades, leather gloves, and pick my fro' back out with that one!!.....I 100% agree, I hope I wasn't coming across like the gmat was one of my major hot buttons, I just didn't think this forum was a realistic representation of the general CGSM pool... I've been looking at the consortium for about 8 years now... (yes I said 8 years, yes I'm old) since about 2003 and at the beginning 600 was the average gmat score of the group of individuals that I talked to who were accepted, and accepted to great schools... and I talked to a lot of people (close to 20)... and now people are ashamed to talk about their score if it is less than 700, but the candidates have not seemed any more or less impressive, some just dedicated larger chucks of their life to taking this test if they had those chunks to give......I still believe the balance of your package is most important.
My life is past the stage where I take heed of harnessed myopia at the pursuit of goal attainment... wish it wasn't, but hey, much like what Mbahopesful said.... I would hope adcoms don't neglect reading and at least trying to read the totality of my character and my potential impact on whether or not I know how to FOIL a f@#*ing equation in 2 mins or less.....
But even I may go back to the drawing board in terms of the gmat just incase of the dreaded waitlist
06 Jan 2012, 08:44
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Mbahopesful,
Thank you for this! And thanks for joining... these types of contributions are EXACTLY the kind we need to elevate the conversation and help lift each other up through the application process. I think most of us agree wholeheartedly that you should NOT be defined by a number, and that's why groups like MLT and Consortium exist. They help shed light on the fact that we all have unique contributions that don't begin with the number(s) 5, 6 or 7.
It's true we do collect statistics for the benefit of all members to assess their own candidacy from a small set of data points... it's by NO MEANS the determining barometer of self worth on these forums -- but I do think it's important for us to see (as well as others) that those of us who are URM's and work with URM communities are dedicated to elevating our game on all levels, including quantitatively.
Again, thank you for your post (please don't be a one-time poster). I really hope you keep contributing and adding depth to the conversation on this forum.
06 Jan 2012, 09:15
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Definitely some interesting thoughts! I'm interested in K-12 urban education, and the GMAT talk here reminds me of the questionable significance and behavioral impact of too much emphasis on standardized testing.
When I was preparing for the GMAT, I thought it was incredibly significant, perhaps weighing as much as 1/3 in the admissions process. I was so misguided that I contemplating retaking a 740, because my Q score didn't live up to my expectations. If I could go back in time and slap myself in the face, I would. The GMAT is completely asinine.
Now that I've visited schools, met students, and learned a lot more about the process in general, I believe very much that the schools themselves are not numbers hunters. They are truly interested in who we are, what we've done, and what we aspire to accomplish in the world, not lifeless GMAT scores. Today, I believe the GMAT plays closer to 1/8 in the admissions process.
During my visit to Tepper, we had a workshop on STAR performance by Professor Robert Kelley. In his work at Bell Labs, he spent years researching the difference between good performers and AMAZING performers. Guess what had no correlation to success? IQ, for starters. They charted just about every characteristic imaginable, and at the end of a two-year study, Kelley just about panicked because they discovered there was no correlation between any personal characteristic and outlier-level success. He was disappointed because 1) no one publishes negative findings, and 2) he wasted two years on the project. After talking to the executive team at Bell Labs, they encouraged him to continue his work, and guess what he discovered:
It's not what metrics and characteristics we have, but how we use them that determines our likelihood of greatness. I absolutely believe that admissions committees agree, and that's why they place such pivotal importance on essays and interviews that require us to tell how we've created success, and how we intend to approach business school and our careers.
Cheers guys, and good luck to all the R2 applicants. Although I'm R1, I'm essentially R2 for Ross, so I'm very much still in the boat
When I was preparing for the GMAT, I thought it was incredibly significant, perhaps weighing as much as 1/3 in the admissions process. I was so misguided that I contemplating retaking a 740, because my Q score didn't live up to my expectations. If I could go back in time and slap myself in the face, I would. The GMAT is completely asinine.
Now that I've visited schools, met students, and learned a lot more about the process in general, I believe very much that the schools themselves are not numbers hunters. They are truly interested in who we are, what we've done, and what we aspire to accomplish in the world, not lifeless GMAT scores. Today, I believe the GMAT plays closer to 1/8 in the admissions process.
During my visit to Tepper, we had a workshop on STAR performance by Professor Robert Kelley. In his work at Bell Labs, he spent years researching the difference between good performers and AMAZING performers. Guess what had no correlation to success? IQ, for starters. They charted just about every characteristic imaginable, and at the end of a two-year study, Kelley just about panicked because they discovered there was no correlation between any personal characteristic and outlier-level success. He was disappointed because 1) no one publishes negative findings, and 2) he wasted two years on the project. After talking to the executive team at Bell Labs, they encouraged him to continue his work, and guess what he discovered:
It's not what metrics and characteristics we have, but how we use them that determines our likelihood of greatness. I absolutely believe that admissions committees agree, and that's why they place such pivotal importance on essays and interviews that require us to tell how we've created success, and how we intend to approach business school and our careers.
Cheers guys, and good luck to all the R2 applicants. Although I'm R1, I'm essentially R2 for Ross, so I'm very much still in the boat
