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Hi Karishma VeritasPrepKarishma
Frankly, I did read your explanation, and my interpretation is that , based on the discovery, the paleontologists conclude the hypothesis that Sandactylus flew by flapping, in other words, paleontologists fist got the discovery, then conclude a hypothesis from the discovery,
per your explanation, you point out a reverse logic that paleontologists first suppose Sandactylus did have heat generated from flapping if E is assumption, did i miss something or misunderstand?

When i reviewed this question yesteday, i tried to analyse E by myself, then new question came up,

Assumption is defined --an unstated evidence, without assumption, the author won't believe the conclusion is true.


E is bit complex, i simplify E,
flapping generats heat, and the heat CANNOT be dispersed without blood vessels.
in other word, no blood vessel , no dispersed heat, Am I right?

then, i think if Sandactylus has blood vessel, then they can dispersed the heat, right?
it meants blood vessel is necessary to dispersed heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping.
because Sandactylus has blood vessel, so it can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings,not just by gliding.
I am not sure where is incorrect.

If i use negative skill, then i think E break the argument.
(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not COULD have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

then negative (E) means there are other ways to disperse the heat generated by flapping.
so the discovery that sandactylus has blood vessels does not provide evidence for the hypothesis,
Does it weaken ?
I think it does weaken.

Would you please point out the errors of my reasoning

Please ~~~


Have a nice day
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Hi mikemcgarry, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja, MagooshExpert Carolyn, @sayantanc2,@VeritasPrepKarishma
i think i got one of my reasoning problems , but new question came up , genuinely need you help to confirm.

here is my incorrect reasoning
because Sandactylus has blood vessel, so it can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings,not just by gliding.-- is incorrect.

Please check following
(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

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E is bit complex, i simplify E,
flapping generats heat, and the heat CANNOT be dispersed without blood vessels.
in other word, no blood vessel , no dispersed heat, Am I right?
up to there, i hold my reasoning

zoezhuyan
then, i think if Sandactylus has blood vessel, then they can dispersed the heat, right?
it meants blood vessel is necessary to dispersed heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping.
because Sandactylus has blood vessel, so it can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings,not just by gliding.
here, i think my reasoning --because Sandactylus has blood vessel, so it can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings,not just by gliding.-- is incorrect.
i reviewed the following
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These are the words "necessary" and "sufficient." One way to say it is as follows:
"A is necessary for B." Here we know that if A doesn't happen, then B would not happen. If A does happen, then it may or may not be true that B can happen.

mikemcgarry
The word "sufficient" summaries the opposite relationship.
"A is sufficient for B." This means that if A happens, we know that B must be true; in other words, A is a guarantee for B. If A doesn't happen, then B may or may not be true.

so i think E is a necesary assumption, in other words, blood vessel is necessary assumption to dispersed heated generated by flapping
if sandactylus has blood vessels, it maybe dispered heated generated by flapping, maybe not.

So my rasoning is incorrect.

Wait a minute,a new problem,
according the stimulus, Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight. This heat is generated only because bats flap their wings.
Can i then get that Sandaytlus can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, not just by gliding ?

Further confused between assumption, necessary assumption.
Is necessary assumption a branch of assumption?
An assumption is unstated something that the author must believe to be true in order to draw a certain conclusion
Does it mean if the assumption happens, it can lead to the conclusion?
A is necessary for B, if A doesn't happen, then B would not happen.
necessary assumption is a branch of assumption?

i am still confused the following:
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I am not sure where is incorrect.

If i use negative skill, then i think E break the argument.
(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not COULD have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

then negative (E) means there are other ways to disperse the heat generated by flapping.
so the discovery that sandactylus has blood vessels does not provide evidence for the hypothesis,
Does it weaken ?
I think it does weaken.


All, please help,

Thank in advance
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Hi Karishma VeritasPrepKarishma
Frankly, I did read your explanation, and my interpretation is that , based on the discovery, the paleontologists conclude the hypothesis that Sandactylus flew by flapping, in other words, paleontologists fist got the discovery, then conclude a hypothesis from the discovery,
per your explanation, you point out a reverse logic that paleontologists first suppose Sandactylus did have heat generated from flapping if E is assumption, did i miss something or misunderstand?

When i reviewed this question yesteday, i tried to analyse E by myself, then new question came up,

Assumption is defined --an unstated evidence, without assumption, the author won't believe the conclusion is true.

E is bit complex, i simplify E,
flapping generats heat, and the heat CANNOT be dispersed without blood vessels.
in other word, no blood vessel , no dispersed heat, Am I right?
then, i think if Sandactylus has blood vessel, then they can dispersed the heat, right?
it meants blood vessel is necessary to dispersed heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping.
because Sandactylus has blood vessel, so it can disperse heat generated in flapping, then provide the evidence that sandactylus flew by flapping its wings,not just by gliding.

I am not sure where is incorrect.

If i use negative skill, then i think E break the argument.
(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not COULD have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

then negative (E) means there are other ways to disperse the heat generated by flapping.
so whether sandactylus has blood vessels does not provide evidence for the hypothesis,
Does it weaken ?
I think it does weaken.

Would you please point out the errors of my reasoning

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We are on the same page - they did first discover blood vessels in wings. This discovery led to hypothesis - "they must be flying by flapping wings".
Think why? Just because they know that bats have blood vessels and the only purpose of those is to disperse heat generated by flapping wings in flight.
So they assumed that blood vessels in wings must have a purpose. They also assumed that the purpose must be the same as that in bats.

Did they have to assume that heat generated could not have been dispersed by any other way? No. That would have been your assumption had they found out that heat is generated by flapping and then tried to conclude that they MUST have had blood vessels. Here the assumption is that there is no other way to disperse heat.

By negating (E), you are discussing what happens when you KNOW that they generate heat by flapping wings. But we don't know that so it is irrelevant. Don't get lost in it.

See what happens when you negate (A) - Blood vessels may not have had a purpose. Then the whole conclusion falls apart.

Hence (A) is the answer.
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Hi,

Could you help with my reasoning on negating option B? I'm not sure which of the below negation is correct

"NOT ALL creatures that fly by flapping their wings have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings" --> If I negate like this, then the conclusion does not fall apart as some creatures that can fly by flapping their wings may still have the blood vessels, and thus B is not the answer

However, if the negation is :"All creatures that fly by flapping their wings DO NOT have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings", then this mean that if the Dinos have blood vessels in the skin of their wings, they CANNOT fly by flapping their wings, and therefore the Conclusion is no longer true --> B is the assumption needed

What is wrong with my negation reasoning here?
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Hi,

Could you help with my reasoning on negating option B? I'm not sure which of the below negation is correct

"NOT ALL creatures that fly by flapping their wings have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings" --> If I negate like this, then the conclusion does not fall apart as some creatures that can fly by flapping their wings may still have the blood vessels, and thus B is not the answer

However, if the negation is :"All creatures that fly by flapping their wings DO NOT have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings", then this mean that if the Dinos have blood vessels in the skin of their wings, they CANNOT fly by flapping their wings, and therefore the Conclusion is no longer true --> B is the assumption needed

What is wrong with my negation reasoning here?
Interesting question.

I think the emphasis of a sentence that begins with "all" is on the fact that all members of a set have the characteristic. So, the most logical negation of the sentence is the one with "NOT all."

So, your first negation makes more sense.

Another thing to consider here is that the passage states as fact that bats have networks of blood vessels in their wings and flap their wings. So, your second negation conflicts with the facts presented and, therefore, cannot be true within parameters of this scenario.

Overall, while the negation test can be useful, your best bet is to combine the use of the negation test with the use of some general analysis of the logical relationship of an answer choice with the argument presented in the passage. By doing so you gain a holistic perspective of that logical relationship and, thus, are more likely to avoid choosing an incorrect choice.
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While I understand the logic and rationale behind the correct option A, I have a small doubt with respect to the NEGATION technique as it is very useful to eliminate SUFFICIENT assumptions (trap option choices) in order to arrive at the NECESSARY assumption (correct answer choice). I would just request an expert to VALIDATE if my understanding and interpretations are correct. I have had great learnings from this official question, I just don't want to TAKE AWAY something WRONG.

My question is: What is the correct NEGATION (And, the correct INTERPRETATION of the NEGATED statement) of OPTION E?

Option (E): Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

NEGATED Option (E):
Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight COULD have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

Now, I am trying to interpret the above negated sentence:

Interpretation 1: Heat generated could be dispersed by anything other than blood vessels INCLUDING blood vessels?
=> Heat generated by flapping of wings could still be dispersed by Blood vessels. And, since the presence of blood vessels STILL implies that dinos fly by flapping wings, the negated statement is NOT completely WEAKENING the conclusion. The Option E is not a NECESSARY Assumption.

Interpretation 2: Heat generated could be dispersed by anything other than blood vessels EXCLUDING blood vessels?
=> The conclusion that "the presence of blood vessels implies flapping of wings" WILL be WEAKENED. Hence, Option E will be a NECESSARY ASSUMPTION.

Since, as per the OA, Option E is not the Assumption, Interpretation 1 is the clear WINNER. Interpretation 2 is Wrong.

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AndrewN - Can you please help answer my above question? Thank you in advance.
Funny, Pankaj0901. You must be the third person in about as many days to ask me to comment on the negation of an answer choice, when I myself do not employ this technique. If I were negating answer choice (E), however, I would alter it slightly from what you have turned it into above:

(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by something other than the blood vessels in its wings.

You have to keep in mind, the argument is not based on proving or supporting the hypothesis itself. Such a concern goes beyond the scope of the argument. Rather, it is saying that networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings provides evidence for the hypothesis. In other words, the very presence of the networks of blood vessels in the skin of the wings of this dinosaur is good enough for the speaker/writer of the content of the passage. Besides, even if some other mechanism existed to disperse heat, the hypothesis could hold (maybe the blood vessels were the primary means of dispersing heat, or perhaps they helped provide support to a main system to disperse even more heat). In short, answer choice (E) addresses the wrong part of the argument, a detail, when we are looking for a necessary link from the premise to the broader argument.

Thank you for thinking to ask. When I looked at the question last November, I apparently answered correctly in 1:10; this time I probably looked at the options for three minutes before I went with (A). (Go figure.)

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So essentially option E -Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings is, what we call in LSAT parlance, a mistaken reversal of the first sentence in the passage, "Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight"
So, we know that E i.e. a mistaken reversal can never be an inference drawn from an argument. But can we also conclude that a mistaken reversal or a false inference can never be an assumption? Thanks
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So essentially option E -Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings is, what we call in LSAT parlance, a mistaken reversal of the first sentence in the passage, "Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight"
So, we know that E i.e. a mistaken reversal can never be an inference drawn from an argument. But can we also conclude that a mistaken reversal or a false inference can never be an assumption? Thanks


I would suggest you to not use LSAT terminology in GMAT. GMAT questions are far simpler and predominantly based on logic.
Note here that we are not given the 'If A, then B' structure here. We have assumed it. Option (E) is a case of mistaken reversal, but of our conclusion.

What we are given:

Networks of blood vessels in wings - A
heat generated in flight by flapping wings - B

Premise: Bats have A. Bats have B. A's only job is to get rid of B.
Assumption: If one has A, then one has B (If one has A, it must have a function and that would be B)
Conclusion: Dinos have A so dinos have B.

Option (A): If one has A, it must have a function
Option (E): Dinos have B so dinos have A. This is neither implied, nor our assumption. For our argument, 'what happens if you have B' is out of scope.
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Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight. This heat is generated only because bats flap their wings. Thus paleontologists' recent discovery that the winged dinosaur Sandactylus had similar networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings provides evidence for the hypothesis that Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, not just by gliding.

Argument: Networks of blood vessel -> ONLY to disperse heat -> Heat is ONLY because of flapping of wings
Same networks found in Sandactylus wing, so hypothesis - Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings- is strengthened.

The argument in the passage relies on which of the following assumptions?

A) Sandactylus would not have had networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings if these networks were of no use to Sandactylus.
After going through all options, I would stick to this option as all other are way off the mark.
This assumption would have been more appealing if somewhere in the argument, it could have mentioned that the purpose of these networks is ONLY to dissipate heat. The argument does stress on ONLY but only in case of the bats. We have to stretch that to Sandactylus too.
Nevertheless, there is no other better option.

B) All creatures that fly by flapping their wings have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings.
We are looking for the opposite.
'All creatures that have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings fly by flapping their wings' would be a perfect assumption.

C) Winged dinosaurs that flapped their wings in flight would have been able to fly more effectively than winged dinosaurs that could only glide.
Effectiveness - we are not comparing the efficiency of flights.

D) If Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, then paleontologists would certainly be able to find some evidence that it did so.
The paleontologists are doing a great job. But how is it connected to network of blood vessels pointing towards flapping wings.

E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.
This would surely help incase argument was about proving that Sandactylus had blood vessels in its wings. But here WHAT(Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings) we are using to prove something else is exactly what we require to prove.

Although A leaves room for a bit of error, there is no better choice than A.
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I am confused between A and D

A) The problem with this answer option is that it does not talk about flapping. It says if blood vessels exist, then they must be of some use. But that 'use' can be anything, right? The option does not state that they are used for 'flapping'

D) On negating this answer option, we get - If P then Q, where
P = Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings
Q= paleontologists would NOT be able to find some evidence that it did so.
But we know that they have found some evidence, i.e. ~Q is true. This implies that P is not true, which breaks the argument that Sandactylus can fly by flapping wings.
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I am confused between A and D

A) The problem with this answer option is that it does not talk about flapping. It says if blood vessels exist, then they must be of some use. But that 'use' can be anything, right? The option does not state that they are used for 'flapping'

D) On negating this answer option, we get - If P then Q, where
P = Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings
Q= paleontologists would NOT be able to find some evidence that it did so.
But we know that they have found some evidence, i.e. ~Q is true. This implies that P is not true, which breaks the argument that Sandactylus can fly by flapping wings.

The blood vessels exist in the wings. If they must be of some use, that use must have something to do with how the wings are used.

The assumption is that the blood vessels cannot exist without any use.

Negate (A): S could have blood vessels in wings without any use.
Then can we say that S flew by flapping wings? No. We are relying on the info that there are these blood vessels in the wings to say that they must have flapped their wings. But what if the blood vessels can just exist without any use. Then we cannot say that they must have existed because S flapped their wings.
Negation of (A) breaks our conclusion and hence is the answer.

(D) doesn't have much relevance.
If says that if S were flapping their wings, then paleontologists would find some evidence that they did so.
Negate it: if S were flapping their wings, paleontologists may not find some evidence that they did so.

The negation of 'would find' is 'may not find.'
It is like 'I am certain' vs 'I am not certain'

Option (D) doesn't have any impact on our conclusion.
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Hey experts. I am really torn between A and B. Upon negating option B we get "no creatures that fly by flapping their wings have network of blood vessels in the skin of their wings". I think this fails the argument. The only reason I think its wrong because it also counters premise in the argument that "bats have blood vessels to dissipate heat". Is there something I am missing?

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Hey experts. I am really torn between A and B. Upon negating option B we get "no creatures that fly by flapping their wings have network of blood vessels in the skin of their wings". I think this fails the argument. The only reason I think its wrong because it also counters premise in the argument that "bats have blood vessels to dissipate heat". Is there something I am missing?

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I have discussed this question in this video: https://youtu.be/ZQnhC4d5ODU

Also note that option (B) does not counter any premise but it is not correct.

Argument:
Bats have blood vessels... because they are needed to disperse heat ... because bats fly by flapping wings
Dinos have blood vessels...

Now we are concluding that dinos must have flapped their wings too. So we are assuming that their blood vessels were needed to disperse heat and that heat was created by flapping wings.

In a way we are assuming that anyone who has blood vessels in wings must fly by flapping wings.
Option (B) says that we are assuming that anyone who flies by flapping wings has blood vessels. Note that this is not our assumption. It is the reverse.

Also, negation of 'all' is 'not all.' It is not 'none'
All will come.
Negation: Not all will come.
means there will be some who will not come.
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Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight. This heat is generated only because bats flap their wings. Thus paleontologists' recent discovery that the winged dinosaur Sandactylus had similar networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings provides evidence for the hypothesis that Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, not just by gliding.

The argument in the passage relies on which of the following assumptions?


(A) Sandactylus would not have had networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings if these networks were of no use to Sandactylus.

(B) All creatures that fly by flapping their wings have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings.

(C) Winged dinosaurs that flapped their wings in flight would have been able to fly more effectively than winged dinosaurs that could only glide.

(D) If Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, then paleontologists would certainly be able to find some evidence that it did so.

(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.

Gave this as a prompt to ChatGPT and even it marked E as the correct answer. I told it that the OG answer was A, so it gave me another explanation as to why A is correct and E is incorrect. On further pointing out that it was contradicting itself, it gave the following explanation. Might be useful for folks juggling between A and E.
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Its all a game of pre thinking, you can save a lot of time if you get it right!
The stem's entire point is Blood vessels-->responsible for heat-->happens ONLY when u flap wings
Conclusion: This creature-->flaps its wings and not glides
This means when it flaps the blood vessels disperses heat so hmm, the conclusion says the it is for sure flapping which means you are assuming that it is for sure dispersing heat as well
which thus means if it was there, the creature is using it for sure, if it does not use it then u cant really say that its ONLY flapping.

Hence option A

I more or less predicted the direction of the stem so as soon as I saw option A I knew it was perfect and chose it as it lined directly with my pre thinking.

Bunuel is that a right approach in such assumption situations where there cant be too many straightforward assumptions, that we can go with our pre thinking and save time?
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Networks of blood vessels in bats' wings serve only to disperse heat generated in flight. This heat is generated only because bats flap their wings. Thus paleontologists' recent discovery that the winged dinosaur Sandactylus had similar networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings provides evidence for the hypothesis that Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, not just by gliding.

The argument in the passage relies on which of the following assumptions?


(A) Sandactylus would not have had networks of blood vessels in the skin of its wings if these networks were of no use to Sandactylus.

(B) All creatures that fly by flapping their wings have networks of blood vessels in the skin of their wings.

(C) Winged dinosaurs that flapped their wings in flight would have been able to fly more effectively than winged dinosaurs that could only glide.

(D) If Sandactylus flew by flapping its wings, then paleontologists would certainly be able to find some evidence that it did so.

(E) Heat generated by Sandactylus in flapping its wings in flight could not have been dispersed by anything other than the blood vessels in its wings.



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I was confused between A and B. I am now clear why A is the one.
I have a question to link my understanding to why B I was finally able to eliminate, but I need to check if that understanding is correct:
The passage says: Because there were nerves, there was flapping.
Option B says: All flappings have nerves
If option B would have said, all creatures with nerves under wings, flap, then it would have been correct ?
Am i thinking in the right direction ? Please let me know. KarishmaB MartyMurray
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I was confused between A and B. I am now clear why A is the one.
I have a question to link my understanding to why B I was finally able to eliminate, but I need to check if that understanding is correct:
The passage says: Because there were nerves, there was flapping.
Option B says: All flappings have nerves
If option B would have said, all creatures with nerves under wings, flap, then it would have been correct ?
Am i thinking in the right direction ? Please let me know. KarishmaB MartyMurray
Yes, you’re thinking in the right direction.

The argument needs: if Sandactylus has those vessels, then that points to flapping. So a statement like “all creatures with those vessels flap” would make the inference much stronger.

Option B is the reverse: “all flappers have those vessels.” That does not let you conclude flapping from vessels, because the vessels could also show up in non flappers.
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