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basically no hope. the very few implied spots probably for special people.... oh well
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basically no hope. the very few implied spots probably for special people.... oh well

As there's no hope I suppose there's no need to post in this thread anymore...
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Yeah. I'm starting to close my 24/7-open Gmail, as the thin envelope (a term familiar to those who found out their undergrad admission decisions via MAIL rather than e-mail) seems imminent. One thing I learned is that MBA admission is no walk in the park and has no "guarantee" in any aspect. A lotta shoulda coulda woulda dating back to the start of my undergrad.

I like Yale but dunno why they don't like me. Yale - hardly knew ye :(
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From their e-mail which I'm sure you've all already seen (I just received it):

"We are still very much in the midst of reviewing applications and sending out interview invitations. Although we have sent out the majority of our invitations at this point, there are still a number of interview spaces left for the round and we will continue to send out invitations as we review applications. So even though you have not yet been invited to interview, there is still time."

Emphasis added by me.

Those who received an invite, did you receive this email as well? or was it specific to those who are still waiting?
They did not send such email last year....
what game is Yale playing ?!?
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I had an interview and I didn't receive this email which makes perfect sense. But more important question is whether everyone who wasn't invited yet received the email, or only those whose application wasn't processed yet.
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Exactly @horrorshow
it would be interesting to know if someone here without and interview did not received this mail. But I think it did not happen. It would mean that Yale already has the list of dinged app. (and then why don't them send it out???)
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Such negativity on here lately. Keep your heads up! According to last year's SOM thread, someone got an interview invite on decision day. It's not over til it's over. Try to stay positive.
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I had an interview & didn't receive this email. I seriously doubt that this email was sent only to the rejected applicants though. It would be raising hopes for no reason, and they wouldn't do that. I suppose they have four buckets now: interviewed & admit, interviewed & deny, interview & unsure (this may be the biggest pool within the interviewed candidates), and not interviewed (including rejections, unsures, and those who haven't been reviewed). I would imagine that this email went to the last group.
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I had an interview & didn't receive this email. I seriously doubt that this email was sent only to the rejected applicants though. It would be raising hopes for no reason, and they wouldn't do that. I suppose they have four buckets now: interviewed & admit, interviewed & deny, interview & unsure (this may be the biggest pool within the interviewed candidates), and not interviewed (including rejections, unsures, and those who haven't been reviewed). I would imagine that this email went to the last group.

I think we're thinking wayyyy too much into it. There's probably a field in the database for each applicant that has a flag for "interviewed 2010". If it's checked, you don't get the e-mail. If it's not checked, you got the e-mail. I interviewed last year and got the interview this year even though I have a green checkmark next to my interview thing. That probably means that in the database my file has "interviewed 2009" flagged.

I would say that who gets the e-mail has no bearing on your admissions status except for the fact that you have not been interviewed this year, yet.
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I'm going to opine on this topic for a second:

While I'm picking on Yale because it is the only school I've applied to that follows this process, I believe the following applies to other schools as well. I'll preface this with a quote from the NY Times article "Application Inflation" written by Eric Hoover on 5 Nov. 2010.

"Such announcements tell a story in which colleges get better — and students get more amazing — every year. In reality, the narrative is far more complex, and the implications far less sunny for students as well as colleges caught up in the cruel cycle of selectivity.

To some degree, the increases are inevitable: the college-bound population has grown, and so, too, has the number of applications students file, thanks in part to online technology. But wherever it is raining applications, colleges have helped seed the clouds — by recruiting widely and aggressively for ever more applicants.

Admissions officers are chasing not so much a more perfect student as a more perfect class. In a given year, this elusive ideal might require more violinists, goalies, aspiring engineers or students who can pay the full cost of attendance. Colleges everywhere want more minority students, more out-of-state students and more students from overseas. The pursuit reveals the duality of the modern college. It’s a place that serves the public interest, and a business with a bottom line.

Applications are, of course, a proxy for popularity and metric of merit. Such is the allure of exclusivity, and the appeal of simplicity. Measuring quality is difficult; measuring quantity is as easy as counting. The more apps a college receives, and rejects, the more impressive it seems.

As application totals soar, colleges struggle to predict yield — the number of admitted students who actually attend — leading to longer wait lists and other competitive enrollment tactics. Students hedge against the plummeting admissions rates by flooding the system with even more applications."


With that in mind, there seem to be two types of application review processes at this point in time. I'll use Harvard as an example of the first. Harvard sets a date that applicants will hear back about interviews- no interviews, no admission (or waitlist). The date for this is stated clearly on their webpage as November 3rd.

For all of the time an applicant puts into his/her application (plus the relatively expensive fee associated with submission), I find this defined process much more professional and responsible on the part of the school. It not only gives the applicants an idea, early on, of how competitive their application is, but also lets them pursue other options with an early notification date if necessary. Most importantly, it 'releases' applicants who really have no shot at admission, and we know that there are a few thousand of those that likely apply to Harvard in this instance, without dragging them along with any false hope up until the admission deadline.

Now lets get to Yale. Yale has continued to offer hope to all applicants who have not yet been interviewed. We know for a fact that out of the thousands of applications that Yale has recieved, a large percentage will not be receiving an invitation to interview. Yale admissions essentially knows who this group is. But yet, these folks will be dragged along until December, further compounded by the recent "You still have a shot!" email. Honestly, I was perfectly content waiting until December for a decision, but I feel their choice to consistently issue vague statements of where they are in the process actually worsens the situation for applicants. Be clear on where the applicant stands.

The reason for this, in my eyes, is largely due to the push to get more and more applications, and the admissions desire to sculpt a more unique class and increase their yield. While this is reasonable on the part of the school, I feel that it is unfair to a majority of the applicants who they will continue to string along until December.

Cut the ones who are out early. Keep the ones you are still considering. DEFINE your admissions process. But don't send an email like the one yesterday to ALL remaining applicants who have not recieved invitations, because that, Yale, is just false hope.

I assume someone from Yale admissions will read this, and hopefully, somewhat consider the above for next year. And finally, this isn't just a poke at Yale, this is typical across most of the bschool spectrum.
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I'm going to opine on this topic for a second:
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Well said. +1
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I had an interview and I didn't receive this email which makes perfect sense. But more important question is whether everyone who wasn't invited yet received the email, or only those whose application wasn't processed yet.
Can someone add horrorshow to the list?
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I'm going to opine on this topic for a second:

The thing you'll have to remember is that last year, HBS had the same process as everyone else. They released a wave of invites early on, then a slow trickle - all the way down to December 15, which was D-day for everyone (for those interviewed and those still waiting for a slot) - calling-all-hbs-fall-2010-candidates-78704-420.html#p648494

The fact that they changed it this year is great, and shows that other schools can probably change it too. However, keep in mind that much of this is dependent on the resources available at the school. As much as everyone would love for all 3000 or whatever # of applications to get read in the first few weeks, many times it just can't happen due to numbers. There's only a limited # of people on the adcom, and without hiring more, you're essentially bottlenecking yourself.

Finally, I'm not sure if switching to this model would even help you as an applicant. Unless you're one of the few in the "automatic ding" pile, in all likelihood, you'd probably just receive an email saying you're on the waitlist. At this point, you don't really know much more than you would have under the normal process. Sure, you know you're not outright dinged, but that doesn't mean you will automatically be able to translate that into an invite anyway.

The point is that throughout the whole application process, patience is required. That's just the way the process is set up.
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Can I assume that a wait list is usually given to interviewed applicants?
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Can I assume that a wait list is usually given to interviewed applicants?

No, there are applicants who are waitlisted without interview.
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Just to add complication to this. . . I received the email. I was also informed a month ago, that if the interview was positive (my feedback indicated that it was), I may not be interviewed this year. So, I of course read to much into this email as well - "am I on a ding list?!"

But, at the end of the day, we just don't know - there are a lot of applications, there are ~250 spots and it is a competitive school (you don't want to go there because it's easy to get into). Try not to read too much into it, there are still wait lists and a lot of time until June when everything finishes up.

Cyber, did you receive the email?
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Just to add complication to this. . . I received the email. I was also informed a month ago, that if the interview was positive (my feedback indicated that it was), I may not be interviewed this year. So, I of course read to much into this email as well - "am I on a ding list?!"

But, at the end of the day, we just don't know - there are a lot of applications, there are ~250 spots and it is a competitive school (you don't want to go there because it's easy to get into). Try not to read too much into it, there are still wait lists and a lot of time until June when everything finishes up.

Cyber, did you receive the email?

I got it, I'm not reading much into it. Don't fret - like I posted earlier it's probably a database flag that they're using for the e-mail.
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