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I didn't want to create any controversy with that post.

I had read some post before about how good was the portal, and when I finally received my login credentials and log in the system, I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. That's why I said I was a bit disappointed.

I didn't have time to go deep in any of both portals. If you are LBS student in an exchange in Booth, you will probably know them much better than me.

Anyway, as I said, in my opinion, the first impression I got after playing with them is that Booth's was far better.

In fact, I have the impression that at Booth everything is very well organized. Since the day I have been admitted to both schools, Booth is doing much better job than LBS to convince me and my wife to join the school (apart from the scholarship stuff).

By the way, I would love to have your opinion about Booth vs LBS, as we are still considering both options. In any case I'm very interested in exchanging in the other.

I applied to Carnegie Mellon as a safe choice and I have to tell you the package they sent is very appealing and much more comprehensive than LBS. Their website is more detailed, and I have been contacted twice so far by students and the admissions office to congratulate me on the offer. Does this mean it's a better school? No.

Marketing is an important factor in a school's image but definitly not the defining one.
I also think it's a difference between US and European service in general. Usually, US institutions are much better at direct marketing and much more personalized than their European counterparts.

That said, I am not undermining Booth. It's a great school, and not merely because of its portal or its friendly staff. It has some of the greateast faculty, a very strong focus on finance and economics, and a strong network in the US.

So the question really comes down to where you plan to work post-MBA. If it's in the US, then go with Booth no questions asked and you can do an exchange program with LBS if you want to get the European experience. Whereas if you plan to work in Europe, then LBS is your best bet. Not only because of reputation in Europe but also for the opportunities to network with companies on the ground.

Finally, cost-wise, LBS might be more suitable since you can finish the program in as little as 15 months.

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Any one knows why London Business School is asking the following question to the recommenders?

What will this individual be doing in 10 years? Why?

My recommenders are IT folks who have been working in the IT field all their life. They dont have MBA degrees either. I haven't told them about my career aspirations and even if I did, I don't think they have enough knowledge about my dream industry which will make the "why" part difficult.

I guess my recommenders plan to write about what they perceive as my interests and strengths and assume that in 10 years i will be in a role that does x and y.. but that doesn't need 500 words!!!

And LBS doesn't give any advice at all about how to write recommendations unlike Stanford and Harvard where they say that they want stories where the candidate's contribution is quantifiable, in fact LBS's questions sound totally different too!

Any tips? My recommenders will be submitting over this weekend because they will be busy after that.

PS - I think I am going to be one of the few who will be submitting their recos before their essays

Well just tell them what to write, tell them what your career aspirations are and they will back it up with evidence on why you would be successful at it based on your strengths. If you are asking someone for a recommendation, he / she must know you enough and know what you plan to do, it will make the recommendation stronger and more focused. You don't need to tell them exactly what your plans are but at least a broad view of them (i.e. do you plan to stay in the IT industry, or rather completely switch industries, do you plan to become an enterpreneur, etc.) This should match with your career goals essays of course.
That's what I did with my recommenders. We had a quick chat about why I wanted to do the MBA and they were able to tailor the answers better.
And I did get an offer.
Good luck

Thanks! I guess I will tell them about my plans and then maybe they could right on similar lines without being too obvious that I told them my plans

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So did your recommenders write the LBS recommendations like the stan rec.? I found out from your profile that you applied to Stan as well and I think you got an interview too, right?
Stan asks them to write examples where my contribution is quantifiable and clear/simplified enough for them to understand, which means that they can only comment about a few qualities.. but LBS asks about strengths and weaknesses directly, so the examples cannot be descriptive at all if there are examples ie :wtf:

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Happy New Year people! May everyone out there gets admitted to the top schools and start the exciting b school journeys in top fashion!

( I also posted because I couldn't see the LBS thread going so down in the international schools' threads index

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I applied to Carnegie Mellon as a safe choice and I have to tell you the package they sent is very appealing and much more comprehensive than LBS. Their website is more detailed, and I have been contacted twice so far by students and the admissions office to congratulate me on the offer. Does this mean it's a better school? No.

Marketing is an important factor in a school's image but definitly not the defining one.
I also think it's a difference between US and European service in general. Usually, US institutions are much better at direct marketing and much more personalized than their European counterparts.

That said, I am not undermining Booth. It's a great school, and not merely because of its portal or its friendly staff. It has some of the greatest faculty, a very strong focus on finance and economics, and a strong network in the US.

So the question really comes down to where you plan to work post-MBA. If it's in the US, then go with Booth no questions asked and you can do an exchange program with LBS if you want to get the European experience. Whereas if you plan to work in Europe, then LBS is your best bet. Not only because of reputation in Europe but also for the opportunities to network with companies on the ground.

Finally, cost-wise, LBS might be more suitable since you can finish the program in as little as 15 months.

just to be clear, I'm not making my decision because of how pretty is the admission website.

I've talked during the last 3 weeks with many people, including current and former students of both schools, family, friends, etc. I think both schools are great and it is not an easy decision, as I believe I will receive a great education and a good job no matter which school I join.

LBS is clearly better in terms of international diversity (I've been living in three different continents the last 6 years so this is important for me).

But I don't agree with "if you want to work in Europe, go to LBS" that some people say. Yes, I think LBS has a strong presence in Europe, bigger than Chicago. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I heard somewhere that almost 75% of LBS graduates work in London post-MBA, and something like 5-10% go to the US. I'm not interested in working in London, and if one day I want to do so, Booth also has a strong presence there. In other European countries (like mine) I believe there is not a big difference whether you graduate from LBS or Booth. I'm considering a Consulting post-MBA job in my country and I believe I will have similar chances to find a job in M/B/B whether I graduate from LBS or from Booth.

Regarding faculty, I didn't find anyone that told me that LBS has better professors. In fact, two current students told me that they had been (a bit) disappointed with the quality of professors at LBS this year.

Apart from that, I prefer the city of Chicago and the US than London. Its more appealing to me, cannot tell you exactly why. As I said I'm from a western European country and London, though appealing, is not the same thing as studying in a top US school. In addition, facilities at Booth seems to be awesome and the cost of living is like half of London's.

Finally, last but not least, Chicago offered my wife half of tuition as a scholarship (about $50k) so this is something important to consider as we have to pay 2 MBAs. Another one is that in my country there are some scholarships that cover the 100% of the cost of the MBA, and are very competitive. Going to a top 5 US school helps more to receive the scholarship than going to LBS.

I will make my final decision very soon and 90% I will withdraw my application.

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Thanks so much Rid, it would help us waitlisters a lot... sorry for sounding a bit selfish here.

But I genuinely feel your decision to go to Booth would be a correct one - to experience a new culture would certainly be a transformative experience to you and your wife. Similarly it would make sense for a US based person to come to LBS, had he been selected to both Booth and LBS. Life's too short, enjoy the most of it, while you can ! Also, the scholarships are in your favor there at Booth.

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@rid82
That's great news about the scholarship, congrats.
I totally agree with you about the faculty. I didn't need to talk to any students, just looking at their websites and comparing professor profiles, you can see Booth is MUCH better.
Well good luck to u and ur wife!

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Just wanted to share some stats re rid82's post (in your case absolutely agree that Booth overall is a better place for you than LBS):
For the class of 2010, 57% found a job in London, Europe (excl. UK) it's 15% (from what I know from my classmates most are in Switzerland in healthcare and financial services), and only 4% went to the US / Canada.
https://www.emosaic.co.uk/lbsemploymentreport/report.pdf
If your goal is to work in the US post MBA then you are obviously way better off attending a top US business school. However, many LBS grads who work in London after their MBA eventually return to their home countries (I plan to do so as well), hence LBS actually has a considerable alumni network in the US, especially in SF and NY. So transitioning back to the US later is definitely feasible, but right after the MBA may be more difficult.

As to quality of professors, it may be true that the University of Chicago has better professors (several nobel leaurates teach there). However, this should NOT be a major reason to choose a b-school over another (and I think rid82 or anyone here is not implying this at all). Firstly: The main goal of any professor in the world is to research and publish, not to teach. Hence, you will find plenty of the most brilliant professors who receive rewards and publish papers in the best journals at top universities. However, exactly these professors could actually be lousy teachers (for them, teaching MBAs is often more of a "job" and if they could focus 100% on research they would do so). That said, you of course also find brilliant faculty with excellent teaching skills. Secondly: Especially in the first year during core classes, there is very little difference between course material of a top 50 MBA and a top 5 MBA. Most MBA programs use the same text books and the same HBS cases. You can learn the same stuff even through an online MBA. How much you actually soak in may again depend on the quality of the teaching skills of a professor, but more so on the quality of the student body I believe.

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Hi rid congratulations on the decision. I think its a sensible one. I can see where you are coming from. Having the US experience is interesting for someone who hasn't lived there. Downtown Chicago offers a great quality of life for far less than London City. For consulting the location of the school doesn't matter as much as long as the consulting firm you want to work for recruits from your school and most consulting firms recruit from both LBS and Booth (Parthenon is the only exception I can think of which doesnt go to Booth - but maybe that has changed). Just be vary of the kind of experience you are looking for from a school and the "fit" aspect. Because they both are actually that different in terms of the experience (I'll try to write more on this once I attend some lectures).

But then again, in the words of riverripper a gmatclub old-timer - "Money buys a lot of fit."

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You can't judge the quality of teaching by comparing profiles unfortunately. From experience, many of the absolute best teachers have relatively crappy profiles on paper and many of the supposed "rockstar" profiles - nobel prize winners etc. either can't teach or don't teach at all. Nonetheless most schools have feedback / grading on the teaching quality of a professor and most students use that to determine which classes they would like to attend. This system is very different between LBS and Chicago. In Chicago you bid points whereas in LBS you provide a list of your choices and the administration match you up to the class / professor. Most of the electives I have chosen at Chicago are purely based on course evaluations and how much I was willing to bid for a certain professor's class. I have not even looked at a single professor profile.

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@bsd_lover/anyone who has the details please revert -

I was a R1 applicant to LBS and have been placed on waitlist. I want to check a few details:

1. What % of the waitlists are cleared by LBS (Are too many people placed on the LBS waitlist)? Do movements happen as early as the first review, which is in mid-Feb?
2. What % of the class is from the waitlist?
3. Are R1 waitlists given any priority among the overall pool of waitlists?
4. What are the chances that if I stick around on the waitlist till late next year, I will be offered deferred admit/early consideration for class of 2014?
5. Are waitlists from a country cleared only if admitted applicants from the country/region with a similar professional background drop out? (Am assuming so as the school might want to maintain a certain level of geographical and professional representation for its class).

I'm from India and things would work well for me if I'm cleared from the waitlist to admit status in the first review itself. Else chances are thin that I can make it. By any chance does LBS clear the international applicant waitlist (I mean outside Europe) earlier? I have applied only to LBS and all I can do now is wait for some good news. Is there anything to cheer for the waitlisted except for meager hope of joining the 2013 class (as past LBS waitlist stories don't look very encouraging).

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There is a wealth of info on the threads that might help answer some of your questions. I suggest you start here :
the-london-business-school-2011-thread-95964-440.html#p835082

Unfortunately,I think it will be unlikely that you will be taken off the waitlist early.

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Hi waitlistedlbs,

Unfortunately, everyone in the waitlist has the same questions but no one can provide accurate answers, since LBS doesn't disclose figures nor information about its waitlist process.

I applied for the MBA2012 (R2) and was waitlisted in March 2010. In my experience, you will not see movement at all from now to June-July. In June-July, very few spots will open up for waitlisters. Many people in the waitlist will withdraw voluntarily throughout the process.

If LBS is your first choice, as it was mine, be patient, since you will have very good chances to be accepted for MBA2014 in case you make it to the end of the road.

I was accepted in September 2010 (earlier than R1 applications) and will be attending to the MBA Class of 2013 by the way.

You can read bsd_lover posts as they are very very useful.

I wish you the best of luck in this tough journey you will have.

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Unable to login to the LBS website to submit my R2 app. The website seems to be down. Did any one else try to login today ?

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@ bsd_lover, madmex82 -

Thanks for replying. Congrats for the admit madmex82. Maybe I should mentally prepare myself for the class of 2014, which may be a realistic possibility. In the meanwhile, let's see if anything good happens against the odds.

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Hello Everyone,

I found this question in the application form and wasn't sure what it's for or what it means. Anyone able to share some thoughts?

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--We encourage applicants to consider the impact of studying for a London Business School programme on their family and friends. Who have you discussed your study plans with - and how did they respond? Feel free to give the names of any alumni, students, faculty or staff of London Business School (as appropriate).
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Thanks in advance.

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I think the AdCom just wants to get a feel how serious you are about getting an MBA from LBS. In the latter part, it helps if you did some research and spoke to someone from the LBS community, e.g. during an info session, a class visit, while having lunch with student ambassadors, or maybe you know a colleague or friend who is an LBS alumn. If so, mention their names and note what you discussed with them.

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I remember reading about LBS's shadowing project but cant find it in their website now. o.O is it still there at LBS?

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