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When Circle is not touching any of the X axis or Y axis, how the condition xy=0 is satisfied ?
could you please explain.
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For n = 4, how is the condition x*y = 0 satisfied ?? In the figure attached, neither x nor y is 0 for n = 4 ! So how is the case satisfied ??
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A circle is drawn in the xy-coordinate plane. If there are n different points (x, y) on the circle such that xy = 0, then the possible values of n are:

a) 0, 1, or 2

b) 0, 2, or 4

c) 0 or 4

d) 0, 2, 3, or 4

e) 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4


Bunuel could u pls explain what is this question asking for? kind of ambiguous for me
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A circle is drawn in the xy-coordinate plane.
Is not this kind of an universal truth? A circle is a 2D figure.
What do I infer from this sentence?

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If there are n different points (x, y) on the circle such that xy = 0, then the possible values of n are:
How do I make sure: (x,y) refer to circumference and not area?
Can I infer we are talking about intercepts from (x,y) = 0?
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A circle is drawn in the xy-coordinate plane.
Is not this kind of an universal truth? A circle is a 2D figure.
What do I infer from this sentence?
Yes it is a 2D figure. but it could be xz or yz although we normally talk of xy coordinates... so its OK as we are dealing with x,y thereafter

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If there are n different points (x, y) on the circle such that xy = 0, then the possible values of n are:
How do I make sure: (x,y) refer to circumference and not area?
Can I infer we are talking about intercepts from (x,y) = 0?
Since it is given ON the circle, it is talking of (x,y) lying on the circumference..
Had it been IN the circle, we would have talked about area
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Yes it is a 2D figure. but it could be xz or yz although we normally talk of xy coordinates... so its OK as we are dealing with x,y thereafter

What is z in in your reply?

Ideally a single point on / inside the circle will still be represented only by an order pair (x,y)

This not a sphere Q, representing (x,y,z) . Why is at all is first sentence required to be given?
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Yes it is a 2D figure. but it could be xz or yz although we normally talk of xy coordinates... so its OK as we are dealing with x,y thereafter

What is z in in your reply?

Ideally a single point on / inside the circle will still be represented only by an order pair (x,y)

This not a sphere Q, representing (x,y,z) . Why is at all is first sentence required to be given?

what if I draw it on ground or on wall... both are different planes..

But as I told you , you dont have to worry about it. But mentioning a circle in xy-coordinate is perfectly fine
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xy plane can be written as (x,y,0).
z = 0 for xy plane. similarly xz plane would be (x,0,z) ,y will be zero in xz plane. It is possible to have equation of circle as \(x^2+z^2=16\) in xz plane

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But as the question explicitly states points (x,y) lies on circle, hence it is in xy plane.

There is no point in contemplating about different other planes possible.

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xy plane can be written as (x,y,0).
z = 0 for xy plane. similarly xz plane would be (x,0,z) ,y will be zero in xz plane. It is possible to have equation of circle as \(x^2+z^2=16\) in xz plane

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Math experts can you please help explain this? as in visually???
Since xy=0, i do understand that either x or y or both can be 0. But how do i assume different points on the xy coordinate?
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Question ask us to find the possible value of n where xy=0

It means we need to find the case when points on the circle can have value as xy = 0 (i.e. Minimum to maximum values)

as explained by Vyshak visually , n can take value from 0 to 4

Hope it helps :)
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Question ask us to find the possible value of n where xy=0

It means we need to find the case when points on the circle can have value as xy = 0 (i.e. Minimum to maximum values)

as explained by Vyshak visually , n can take value from 0 to 4

Hope it helps :)


Lets say if this question had an option of 7-8 integers starting from 0-7 (same as E)..
That would have been our answer in that case ?

Main point to note is that : It must contain a 0 and all other maximum possible points, right. ?
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For n = 4, how is the condition x*y = 0 satisfied ?? In the figure attached, neither x nor y is 0 for n = 4 ! So how is the case satisfied ??

In the figure, the largest circle is the case with 4 points.
When the circle crosses any of the points on the axis either x=0 or y=0 and hence xy=0
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Effectively, the Question is Asking us:

What are the Different ways in which we can draw a Circle in the Coordinate Plane in which the Circle either crosses or does NOT cross the Y-Axis or X-Axis?



(1st) We can draw the Circle immediately inside 1 Quadrant, in which there are NO X- or Y-Intercepts

n = 0 ---- there will be NO Coordinates for which X * Y = 0


(2nd) We can draw a Circle such that it is TANGENT to 1 of the Axis and does NOT Cross either Axis anywhere else.

This would give us 1 Coordinate that would have either X or Y = 0 ----- and X * Y = 0

n = 1


(3rd) We can draw a Circle such that it Intersects just the (+)Positive Portion of the Y-Axis TWICE

As an Example, the Y-Axis could completely BISECT the Circle in Half.

There would be 2 Points in which X = 0 ---- 2 Y-Intercepts ---- and the Coordinates Multiplied would be X * Y = 0

n can be = 2


(4th) ***this is the one I struggled with at 1st

Can we draw a Circle in the Plane such that it has 3 Intercepts and NO MORE?

EX: We Draw the Circle so that the TOP of the Circle is Tangent to the (+)Positive X-Axis

Then, we allow the Left Side of the Circle to Intersect the (-)Negative Y-Axis TWICE, as it Circles around

In this case, we would have 3 Coordinates in which either X = 0 or Y = 0 ----

n can = 3


Finally, we know n can = 4 if we have a Circle drawn with the Origin as the Center.


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n can = 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 , or 4
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I got confused because of the language. It sounds as if the question is asking us, about number of points n(x,y) a circle can cross the axes such that xy=0.
I mean it is not explicitly clear whether the question wants to ask how many different such circles can be formed.

Can someone help me to understand where did I go wrong?
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A circle is drawn in the xy-coordinate plane. If there are n different points (x, y) on the circle such that xy = 0, then the possible values of n are:

a) 0, 1, or 2

b) 0, 2, or 4

c) 0 or 4

d) 0, 2, 3, or 4

e) 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4
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