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06 Aug 2011, 18:03
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Hello,
I own both Manhattan Gmat SC and Aristotle Sc Grail books. I have found some contradicitions in the idom lists of the two. For instance (wrong idiom use right there accourding to Aristotle) when looking at the idiom 'Agree", Manhattan has it ' Agree that' - they agree that electrons exist. But in Aristotle, they have 'Agree to' and 'Agree with' and 'agree on/upon'. Manhattan says using 'Agree to' is wrong. This is very confusing to me, especially since Aristotle is based alot on Manhattan. I think I'm going to just go with Manhattan and try to memorize their list and fill in a couple words with Aristotle that aren't in Manhattan. Aristotle could of very well did a cut and paste job from the web from some english grammar site like they did with there Verb Tense tutorial which was identical to a site I found, even alot of the examples. Manhattan may have their list geared toward GMAT preferred grammar. Other than that Aristotle is still good review, but I don't want to go wild memorizing every single idiom out there. The thing I quickly learned when doing Official Guide problems, especially when using the Aristotle One-minute explanations companion. was that the first split recommended to use was an idiom split. Alot of questions can be answered right away just with knowing the idioms.
What do you guys think?
I own both Manhattan Gmat SC and Aristotle Sc Grail books. I have found some contradicitions in the idom lists of the two. For instance (wrong idiom use right there accourding to Aristotle) when looking at the idiom 'Agree", Manhattan has it ' Agree that' - they agree that electrons exist. But in Aristotle, they have 'Agree to' and 'Agree with' and 'agree on/upon'. Manhattan says using 'Agree to' is wrong. This is very confusing to me, especially since Aristotle is based alot on Manhattan. I think I'm going to just go with Manhattan and try to memorize their list and fill in a couple words with Aristotle that aren't in Manhattan. Aristotle could of very well did a cut and paste job from the web from some english grammar site like they did with there Verb Tense tutorial which was identical to a site I found, even alot of the examples. Manhattan may have their list geared toward GMAT preferred grammar. Other than that Aristotle is still good review, but I don't want to go wild memorizing every single idiom out there. The thing I quickly learned when doing Official Guide problems, especially when using the Aristotle One-minute explanations companion. was that the first split recommended to use was an idiom split. Alot of questions can be answered right away just with knowing the idioms.
What do you guys think?
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13 Aug 2011, 10:25
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well it all depends on meaning.
i do not believe that MGMT wrote that agree to is not correct.
agree/conclude etc.. can use "that", but agree can be also agree with/to
hope it helps:
agree (up)on someone or something
to agree to the choice of someone or something. Let's try to agree upon a date.
agree (with something) (in something)
[for grammatical features] to match or go together with other grammatical features. The subject and the verb agree in number.
agree to something
to consent to something; to allow something to be done; to approve something. If you don't agree to my leaving early, I'll just do it anyway.
agree to disagree
Cliché [for two or more parties] to calmly agree not to come to an agreement in a dispute. We have accomplished nothing except that we agree to disagree.
See also: disagree
agree with someone
1. Lit. to hold the same opinion or judgment as someone else. I simply do not agree with you!
2. Fig. [for something] to be acceptable to someone as food. (Usually negative, referring to the disagreeable consequences of eating bad food.) Onions do not agree with me.
agree with something
1. Fig. [for something] to look good or go well with something else. This dress does not agree with these shoes, does it?
2. Fig. [for something] to be in accord with something else. Your analysis agrees with mine.
i do not believe that MGMT wrote that agree to is not correct.
agree/conclude etc.. can use "that", but agree can be also agree with/to
hope it helps:
agree (up)on someone or something
to agree to the choice of someone or something. Let's try to agree upon a date.
agree (with something) (in something)
[for grammatical features] to match or go together with other grammatical features. The subject and the verb agree in number.
agree to something
to consent to something; to allow something to be done; to approve something. If you don't agree to my leaving early, I'll just do it anyway.
agree to disagree
Cliché [for two or more parties] to calmly agree not to come to an agreement in a dispute. We have accomplished nothing except that we agree to disagree.
See also: disagree
agree with someone
1. Lit. to hold the same opinion or judgment as someone else. I simply do not agree with you!
2. Fig. [for something] to be acceptable to someone as food. (Usually negative, referring to the disagreeable consequences of eating bad food.) Onions do not agree with me.
agree with something
1. Fig. [for something] to look good or go well with something else. This dress does not agree with these shoes, does it?
2. Fig. [for something] to be in accord with something else. Your analysis agrees with mine.
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even for the idiom- "doubt"- MGMAT and Aristotle SC provide different examples
