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Hi banerjee06, hearty congratulations for the wonderful score!

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a. I dont think i have ever seen more than 12-13 RC questions in any of the GMAT prep tests (or MGMAT). I got 16 on this one. It worked to my favor as I was pretty consistent with my RC
Good it worked for you. From a time management perspective, many students prefer to have more SC, since a SC question typically takes almost half as much time as a typical RC question does.

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b. CR was twisted and tougher than the GMAT prep tests. My CR had only 1 assumption and 2 strengthen questions. This combination is again a rarity as far as my experience with mocks go. Most of my CR questions were Evaluation of argument and Weakeners
This is something that seems to be increasingly true: more Evaluation of argument questions, especially for people who are scoring well during the exam.

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SC was stranger because I have been told by many verbal books that for giving examples we need to use "such as" instead of like, my verbal set had 3 occasions were they used "like" to introduce examples though none was a part of the underlined segment
That really is strange; in fact, I just pointed this out when a fellow poster posted a OG 2017 question here (especially-in-the-early-years-new-entrepreneurs-may-need-to-find-reso-220342.html). Again, the saving grace was that this was in the non-underlined portion. However, this is something we, as GMAT instructors, need to closely watch out (you are of course, off the hook now:)).

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Hey thanks.
I too prefer SC because of the time thing.however in exam in the heat of the moment it was nice to know that unless I screw up majorly in inferring some part of the paragraph I had a reasonably good shot at getting a 90% accuracy on 16 questions of rc rather than the usual 12-13.those fine margins I guess matter. My experience with SC suggests that if u know the rules and applications they are a breeze, however if u don't then chances of u getting them wrong (a non native speaker) increases. I just think law of averages will make me tilt everytime towards more rc matter over SC no matter how good I get at SC.

I guess the trainers over the next few years will need to keep an eagle eye on the verbal matter that gmat comes up with. I could sense that the matter and the general question ratios of various topics are changing slowly but surely.

The document u guys sent indeed helped in clearing atleast one concept. I promised I would recommend it to others if I found it helpful and so I am doing it.

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c. SC was fairly straightforward with almost no question directly testing the idiomatic usages, which i'd mugged up frantically. Most of them tested modifier usage and parallelism. SC was stranger because I have been told by many verbal books that for giving examples we need to use "such as" instead of like, my verbal set had 3 occasions were they used "like" to introduce examples though none was a part of the underlined segment


If you look at the explanation for problem 65 of Verbal Review 2nd Edition is says "While there has been some disputes over the use of like to mean "for example," this is an acceptable use." The original sentence used like to introduce examples. In other words using like to introduce examples is ok according GMAC. One thing people need to keep in mind is that test prep companies have come up with a lot of so called rules for SC that have later been proven to be wrong. This is just one example.
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Congratulations! Great debrief. Best of luck on your future endeavors!
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gmathopeful25: I agree with you somewhat. I think the pattern of the questions is changing somewhat. GMAT is making incremental changes continuously. However, the tutors' rules are all we have at this point to depend upon. I think without those rules at least I would find myself in some trouble. Let's give the tutors some credit for analyzing the trends over the years and coming up with some guidelines for us(non native speakers especially) to follow.
I guess the tutors will have their task cut out as I did see the pattern to be conspicuously different from what I have encountered in the mocks.

GMATPILLBILL: Thanks a lot.
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If you look at the explanation for problem 65 of Verbal Review 2nd Edition is says "While there has been some disputes over the use of like to mean "for example," this is an acceptable use." The original sentence used like to introduce examples. In other words using like to introduce examples is ok according GMAC. One thing people need to keep in mind is that test prep companies have come up with a lot of so called rules for SC that have later been proven to be wrong. This is just one example.

I took a look on the problem 65. I think that this case is quiet specific, and namely this is indicated in the explanation. The main reason - here aluminium and other metals are not only examples, but also a type of commodity. In ordinary case such usage is still not acceptable IMO. I saw somewhere in official books, that like is not acceptable for the introduction of examples.
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If you look at the explanation for problem 65 of Verbal Review 2nd Edition is says "While there has been some disputes over the use of like to mean "for example," this is an acceptable use." The original sentence used like to introduce examples. In other words using like to introduce examples is ok according GMAC. One thing people need to keep in mind is that test prep companies have come up with a lot of so called rules for SC that have later been proven to be wrong. This is just one example.

I took a look on the problem 65. I think that this case is quiet specific, and namely this is indicated in the explanation. The main reason - here aluminium and other metals are not only examples, but also a type of commodity. In ordinary case such usage is still not acceptable IMO. I saw somewhere in official books, that like is not acceptable for the introduction of examples.

You can always say examples are a type of something.
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manlog: That's the exact point I was clarifying. I saw three questions in which "like" was used to introduce examples. Maybe gmat is changing the rules slightly, we wouldn't know without analysing a larger data set than just 3 questions. But it was alarming for me. Thankfully it wasn't involved in any underlined sections.
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One thing people need to keep in mind is that test prep companies have come up with a lot of so called rules for SC that have later been proven to be wrong.
Hi gmathopeful25, a large part of the rules that test prep companies preach comes directly from the patterns of official sentences themselves.

I remember that in an official guide many generations old (older than OG-10, as far as I remember), one of the explanations provided in the OG stated that an object pronoun cannot refer to a possessive noun.

With such explicit hint, test prep companies adopted this as a rule until few generations (of official guides) later, we spotted correct official sentences that violated this rule. I would not call this a contradiction in Official guide. With time, perhaps GMAT just evolves in its preferences, and test-prep companies adapt accordingly.
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I will have to agree with educationaisle here. It's a great thing that the test prep companies do by analyzing the questions and coming up with patterns for us to prepare well for the exam. Can't fault their efforts. Having said that it would be foolhardy to keep referring to the old rules as gmat itself keeps updating their rules from time to time.

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One thing people need to keep in mind is that test prep companies have come up with a lot of so called rules for SC that have later been proven to be wrong.
Hi gmathopeful25, a large part of the rules that test prep companies preach comes directly from the patterns of official sentences themselves.

I remember that in an official guide many generations old (older than OG-10, as far as I remember), one of the explanations provided in the OG stated that an object pronoun cannot refer to a possessive noun.

With such explicit hint, test prep companies adopted this as a rule until few generations (of official guides) later, we spotted correct official sentences that violated this rule. I would not call this a contradiction in Official guide. With time, perhaps GMAT just evolves in its preferences, and test-prep companies adapt accordingly.

This is the whole point. There are the core rules that always work (such as subject verb agreement) and other "rules" that test prep companies come up with based on reviewing OG problems that are only right the vast majority of the time. Some examples below:

(1) Not only... but also construction was viewed as the correct version Non only... but was considered wrong. Then test prep companies found examples of where not only... but was correct so now it is now taught as being suspect (instead of wrong). Some test prep companies still teach it as if not only... but also is the only correct version.

(2) In sentences with ,which these companies taught students that which must be referring to the preceding noun and then later changed the rule to well which didn't have to refer to the prior noun, but could jump over a preposition and be referring to the noun before the preposition. Some prep companies still teach it the incorrect way.

(3) MGMAT had a rule concerning pronoun ambiguity that it later walked back when if found examples that were inconsistent with its rule. I don't feel the need to list more examples at this time.
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There are rules, and then there are tricks. The rules are those documented in books on writing such as the classic "The elements of style". The tricks are the patterns that people notice from observing past exam questions. The shortcomings of test prep companies are that they aim to teach students what can be useful right away and most of the time. Teaching proper English is a much more difficult task than teaching a set of rules: English cannot be learned through only reading books. And then the burden is shifted to the students to memorize these tricks and apply them on test day; sometimes the tricks don't work, but most of the time they do. If the student gets lucky, the tricks will do the tricks. (see what I did there?)

But it is easy for the GMAC to re-shape their questions so as to render these tricks useless, if they want to. The purpose of the GMAT's Sentence Correction portion is to test the understanding of grammar rules, not to test someone's ability to memorize tricks that are meaningless beyond the GMAT. Test prep companies and even private tutors sometimes, in teaching students the shortcuts to dealing with standardized exams, may lead students to learn wrong things.

Sometimes I see students post on this forum that they spent hundreds of hours studying for the GMAT Verbal, going through thousands of questions and trying to apply the tricks they learned from test prep books. I wonder if their time would have been better spent on learning proper rules of English grammar. Every single GMAT SC question can be tackled without knowledge of any tricks. Proper grammar rules, of which there aren't very many, and a sense of cohesiveness in presentation, which is very learn-able, combined, are sufficient.
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HanoiGMATtutor: I think thats a very very good viewpoint on how to tackle gmat and what tricks are. I agree it's very important to learn the rules than the tricks. Tricks can get you out of a tricky situation most of the times but their utility beyond gmat as you rightly pointed out is flimsy at best.
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This is the whole point. There are the core rules that always work (such as subject verb agreement) and other "rules" that test prep companies come up with based on reviewing OG problems
Hi gmathopeful25, as I did mention in my post, this possessive pronoun thing was not just a result of reviewing OG problems; it was provided in the explanation, the official explanation. What else should test takers consider sacrosanct, if not the official explanation?

In fact, you quoted the official explanation in your earlier post, to state that GMAT does not consider like vs such as different, when it comes to providing examples. If in a future release of official guide, GMAC were to violate this stance and prefer an option using such as (over an option using like), when the intent is to provide examples, can the test prep companies be blamed for it?
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Hi gmathopeful25, as I did mention in my post, this possessive pronoun thing was not just a result of reviewing OG problems; it was provided in the explanation, the official explanation. What else should test takers consider sacrosanct, if not the official explanation?

I'm very interested in this example. Is there any way you can look up this specific explanation?
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I found a scribbled note at my desk that Verbal review First edition, #86 is one such example.

However, I don't have that book anymore. If someone does, and can post the OE of that question verbatim, that would do.
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