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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7
(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7

Originally posted by banksy on 15 Mar 2011, 16:48.
Last edited by Bunuel on 29 Jul 2013, 08:29, edited 1 time in total.
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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7
(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7


For (2), I did the following:

r^2 - s^2 = 7
(r+s)(r-s) = 7
(4+3)(4-3) = 7 <--- I don't see any other possible combination of numbers that would give you 7

Thus, I fail to see how statement 2 is insufficient. Please help!


Notice that we are not told that r and s are integers, so consider \(r^2=7\) and \(s=0\) OR \(r^2=8\) and \(s=1\)...
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1. Not sufficient

(r , s could be 5 2 or 4 3 so on)

2. Not enough info to derive r/s . Not sufficient.

Together its sufficient to find r and s. Answer C.
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For (2), I did the following:

r^2 - s^2 = 7
(r+s)(r-s) = 7
(4+3)(4-3) = 7 <--- I don't see any other possible combination of numbers that would give you 7

Thus, I fail to see how statement 2 is insufficient. Please help!
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Why can't R+S = 7 be solved to (-7/1) = (-S/R) and thus prove sufficiency in Statement 1?
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Why can't R+S = 7 be solved to (-7/1) = (-S/R) and thus prove sufficiency in Statement 1?


First of all: when a DS question asks about the value, then the statement is sufficient ONLY if you can get the single numerical value.

From r + s = 7 we cannot find the single numerical value of r/s, it can take infinitely many values:
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r=-1 and s=8 --> r/s=-1/8;
r=1 and s=6 --> r/s=1/6;
r=2 and s=5 --> r/s=2/5;
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Also notice that your example does not satisfy the equation at all: if r=1 and s=-7, then r + s = -6 not 7.

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I stumbled upon C) to be the right answer but I'm not quite sure how...
1) r+s=7
2)r^2 - s^2 = 7
(r+s)(r-s)=7
r-s=1

Is the question not asking for r/s = ?
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I stumbled upon C) to be the right answer but I'm not quite sure how...
1) r+s=7
2)r^2 - s^2 = 7
(r+s)(r-s)=7
r-s=1

Is the question not asking for r/s = ?


What is the ratio of r to s?

Questions asks to find the value of r/s.

(1) r + s = 7. Infinite pairs of (r, s) satisfies this equations. Not sufficient.

(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7. Infinite pairs of (r, s) satisfies this equations. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) From (2) we know that (r - s)(r + s) = 7, since from (1) r + s = 7, then (r - s)*7 = 7, which gives r - s = 1. Solving r + s = 7 and r - s = 1 gives r = 4 and s = 3 --> r/s = 4/3. Sufficient.

Answer: C.

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I came across a question in one of my CAT practice exams and I thought I answered it correctly, but it turns out I was wrong. But I have no idea why my solution is not valid as I get the same answer as the solutions manual (just with a different approach). Can someone clarify this for me?

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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7

(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7

I answered (B) - statement 2 is sufficient. My reasoning was:

Numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc
Their perfect square: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25 etc.
There is only one occasion in which the difference between two squared numbers is 7 and this 16-9 or 4^2 - 3^2. Thus the ratio of r/s would be 4/3.
Even if you use -1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 etc it makes no difference because you still get 4/3.

The solution states that you need both (answer C) in order to solve the problem (and they come up with 4/3 as well). Now using both statements is perfectly valid but why can't I get away with using only (2)?

Any help would be much appreciated!
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I came across a question in one of my CAT practice exams and I thought I answered it correctly, but it turns out I was wrong. But I have no idea why my solution is not valid as I get the same answer as the solutions manual (just with a different approach). Can someone clarify this for me?

Thank you!

What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7

(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7

I answered (B) - statement 2 is sufficient. My reasoning was:

Numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc
Their perfect square: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25 etc.
There is only one occasion in which the difference between two squared numbers is 7 and this 16-9 or 4^2 - 3^2. Thus the ratio of r/s would be 4/3.
Even if you use -1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 etc it makes no difference because you still get 4/3.

The solution states that you need both (answer C) in order to solve the problem (and they come up with 4/3 as well). Now using both statements is perfectly valid but why can't I get away with using only (2)?

Any help would be much appreciated!


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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7
(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7


Statement I is insufficient:

r = 2, s = 5
r = 1, s = 6

Statement II is insufficient:
(r+s)(r-s) = 7
r = 4, s = 3
r = -4, s = 3

Combining is sufficient:
r + s = 7
(r+s) (r-s) = 7
r - s = 1, r + s = 7
We get definite values of r and s hence answer is C.
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New post 20 May 2014, 23:39
It's better to use algerabic forumale rather than picking numbers as the exponent is 2.

Also R power 2 - S power 2 can be written as (R+S)(R-S).

I used statement 1 to deduct R-S.

Then Combine Statement1 and R-S to get the value of R.

Obviously we will get S value from any statement. No need to calculate as its a DS q.

I might belong to that band which assumes given variables are integers though it's not explicitly given.

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zsoltvigh wrote:
I came across a question in one of my CAT practice exams and I thought I answered it correctly, but it turns out I was wrong. But I have no idea why my solution is not valid as I get the same answer as the solutions manual (just with a different approach). Can someone clarify this for me?

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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7

(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7

I answered (B) - statement 2 is sufficient. My reasoning was:

Numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc
Their perfect square: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25 etc.
There is only one occasion in which the difference between two squared numbers is 7 and this 16-9 or 4^2 - 3^2. Thus the ratio of r/s would be 4/3.
Even if you use -1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6 etc it makes no difference because you still get 4/3.

The solution states that you need both (answer C) in order to solve the problem (and they come up with 4/3 as well). Now using both statements is perfectly valid but why can't I get away with using only (2)?

Any help would be much appreciated!


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What is the ratio of r to s?

(1) r + s = 7
(2) r^2 – s^2 = 7


St 1

clearly insuff too many possibilities

St 2

rewrite

(r +s)(r-s) =7

more than one possibility as do not know whether r and s should be integers, negative numbers etc

St 1 and St 2

We have a system of linear equations because

7(r-s) =7

r +s =7
r-s =1

S =3

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