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With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.

(A) less than five thousand and fewer

(B) lower than five thousand and less

(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer

(D) fewer than five thousand and less

(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer
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With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.

(A) less than five thousand and fewer

(B) lower than five thousand and less

(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer

(D) fewer than five thousand and less

(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer



Hi dominicraj

Do you have any specific doubt in the question? Also, sharing your thought process will help others to understand and respond to your doubt better. :)


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With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.

(A) less than five thousand and fewer

(B) lower than five thousand and less

(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer

(D) fewer than five thousand and less

(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer



Hi dominicraj

Do you have any specific doubt in the question? Also, sharing your thought process will help others to understand and respond to your doubt better. :)


Happy prepping!

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Hi Dolly,

When an uncountable noun decreases we use "less" and when the noun is countable we use "fewer". Specifically when the number is also given its definitely a countable. And well-trained soldiers can be any number in the population hence it can be taken as uncountable.

However as per the OA "less" is used for the decrease in the number. I am not sure of how this works.

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With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.


(A) less than five thousand and fewer - Correct

Population is countable so less can be used here. { Remember the Census Survey ??? }
Fewer is uncountable , used correctly for well trained soldiers.

Can trained soldiers be counted ? How can you measure how much training is sufficient to qualify as a trained soldier ?

(B) lower than five thousand and less - Incorrect

Lower refers to lesser in position...

(C) lesserthan five thousand and fewer - Incorrect

" Lesser " than is used for comparative nouns , which is incorrect.

(D) fewer than five thousand and less - Incorrect

" Fewer than " is used for comparative nouns , which is incorrect.

(E)fewer than five thousand and of fewer - Incorrect

" Fewer than " is used for comparative nouns , which is incorrect.

Hence (A) is correct..




PS : How to remember Less than Vs Fewer Than ? :P

Just remember X less than Y = Y - X { Used in mathematics - Countable things }
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When an uncountable noun decreases we use "less" and when the noun is countable we use "fewer". Specifically when the number is also given its definitely a countable. And well-trained soldiers can be any number in the population hence it can be taken as uncountable.

However as per the OA "less" is used for the decrease in the number. I am not sure of how this works.

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You are right that "When an uncountable noun decreases we use "less" and when the noun is countable we use "fewer". "

Here are some examples:

Countable: fewer cars/ dollars/ bottles
Uncountable: less traffic/ amount of money/ water

Note: In all these cases fewer/ less are adjectives (placed next to the noun without "than").

Let's take an example:

I bought less pens than my friend did . - incorrect
I bought fewer pens than my friend did. correct

Just as "pens", "soldiers" is a countable noun (1 soldier, 2 soldiers...) and thus, "fewer" is used correctly for "soldiers".

As for the first part, "With a total population of less than five thousand "...

while using numbers/ units such as thousand, feet, kilometers, and miles for continuous quantity, we use uncountable construction with "than".

For example:
The distance was less than 10 kilometers
Population of less than five thousand

Hope it helps!


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See soldiers are people who can be counted. Hence fewer is used
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See soldiers are people who can be counted. Hence fewer is used
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dominicraj wrote:
With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.

(A) less than five thousand and fewer

(B) lower than five thousand and less

(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer

(D) fewer than five thousand and less

(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer



Analysis :
As per general rule in English, we should use Few in case of countable things (Such as Apple, orange etc) and Less in case of uncountable things (Such as Percentage, Water, proportion etc)

So we have to use "Few" to describe well trained soldier and "Less" for population.

(A) less than five thousand and fewer
Correct as per the explanation above

(B) lower than five thousand and less
Less cannot describe "Well trained soldier", Lower is not correct to describe population - Incorrect

(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer
Notice "Lesser and Fewer", these are not correct modifier. - Incorrect

(D) fewer than five thousand and less
Less cannot describe "Well trained soldier" - Incorrect

(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer
Few cannot be use to describe population - Incorrect
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dominicraj wrote:
With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.


(A) less than five thousand and fewer - Correct

Population is countable so less can be used here. { Remember the Census Survey ??? }
Fewer is uncountable , used correctly for well trained soldiers.

Can trained soldiers be counted ? How can you measure how much training is sufficient to qualify as a trained soldier ?



Hi Abhishek009

Please re-read the highlighted part. I believe you have mis-typed it. Did you mean to say that population is uncountable and fewer is used for countable nouns?

Population is countableuncountable so less can be used here.
Fewer is uncountable for countable nouns , used correctly for well trained soldiers.

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while using numbers/ units such as thousand, feet, kilometers, and miles for continuous quantity, we use uncountable construction with "than".

For example:
The distance was less than 10 kilometers
Population of less than five thousand



Hello Dolly

Should the above be regarded as "Thumb Rule" -

Even though the metric after 'than' indicates that a noun is countable, nevertheless, that noun should be treated as uncountable?

The other way to ask is whether there are any exceptions to this rule?


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Hello Dolly

Should the above be regarded as "Thumb Rule" -

Even though the metric after 'than' indicates that a noun is countable, nevertheless, that noun should be treated as uncountable?

The other way to ask is whether there are any exceptions to this rule?

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Hi

A thumb rule is a principle having wide application but not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable in every situation. So I think, you meant to ask if it is a "hard and fast" rule. :)

If you observe, even though the metric after 'than' indicates that a noun is countable, the number/unit is used to represent an uncountable measurement. Thus, we need "less than".

Let's look at the example again-

The distance was less than 10km. What is "10km" representing? The distance.

As the number, "10 km", is representing an uncountable measurement, "distance", we need "less than".


Let's take some more examples and observe what they are representing:

I have less than an hour to do this work. Representing- time
We had less than $1,000 dollars in the bank. Representing- money
We’re less than 50 miles away. Representing- distance
I can fix the roof in less than 12 hours. Representing- time

Note: We say less than 12 hours, not fewer than 12 hours, because we are not referring to 12 individual hours, but to a single period of time lasting 12 hours. Similarly, we are NOT referring to 50 individual miles or 1000 individual dollars. Thus, the use of "fewer than" is imprecise.

Here you can get more information on this:
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educat ... mZhOk.dpuf

As for "fewer than", it can be used in case of countable quantities to refer to individual/specific items.

For example:
The 477 examples collected in Rome yield no fewer than 320 different stamps.

Hope it helps!

Happy prepping!:D
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(A) less than five thousand and fewer
(B) lower than five thousand and less
(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer
(D) fewer than five thousand and less
(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer
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With a total population of less than five thousand and fewer well-trained soldiers than ever before, the army base is still unprepared for a real war.
(A) less than five thousand and fewer
(B) lower than five thousand and less
(C) lesser than five thousand and fewer
(D) fewer than five thousand and less
(E) fewer than five thousand and of fewer


fewer = countable things
less = compares non-countable amounts/singular mass nouns


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