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Hi Samwong,

The GMATPrep Exam Pack 1 is not part of the End of Sale promotion. Please see the detailed description tab on the mba.com store, which highlights that this product is not currently part of any promotions or discounts.

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Dear Govind,

I wanted to let you know that we have re-opened your incident, and you will be contacted by someone at PVUE, if you haven't already, very soon.

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Dear Tina,

Thank you for your prompt response.

I called the PVUE team and they made me an offer. In normal circumstances I would't have accepted the offer, the only reason I accepted the offer was because I was under time pressure (I had to take the test this month and there were no dates after Dec 24. I could not have taken a date before Dec 23 - this left me with only 1 date Dec 24, which I did not want to miss)

I hope the computer/software problem does not reoccur on Dec 24, making me suffer because of infrastructure deficiencies. If the problem reoccurs, I will lose a year.

I also hope that I will be marked fairly (the algorithm will not take my past score in consideration and that it will not try to prove that I am a low scorer)

On your part, Tina, you have been extremely prompt, and I appreciate your promptness.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC team,

I want to express my utter disappointment with GMAC.

I re-took the GMAT today and as I had suspected (I mentioned my suspicion, on this forum, way back on Dec 11) got a low score – it seems the GMAC was bent on proving that I am a low scorer, and that it tweaked the algorithm accordingly. My score was exactly the same as it was last time – 570 (The breakup Q 41, V 28)

I had a talk with the Proctor and he said that as there were no “Technical” issues with the exams so he cannot take down my complaint. He advised me to write to GMAC, hence this email.

I think it is unfair to judge a test taker based on his or her past performance. What is more unfair is to try to prove that a candidate is a low scorer.

As a reply, you do have the concept of “experimental” questions with you. You can always mention that the ones that I got correct were experimental and the ones that I got wrong were not experimental – by the way, experimental questions are a nice way to show a perfect Bell-curve frequency distribution of the GMAT scores; there can be no other real reason for them (the reasoning that they are there to “test” the level of questions points to the incompetence of the question makers – are they not competent enough to draft the questions? Inadvertently GMAC is playing with the time/career of test takers. These “experimental questions” have made GMAT a test of luck rather than aptitude) – How about a Grand slam final between Nadal and Djokovic with “experimental” points? – points that can occur anytime of an match and which the players get to know only after the match. While one player works hard to win a point, but the efforts go down the drain as it was an “experimental” point. The other player, who lost the point, loses nothing because it was an “experimental” point. This is not how a “fair” game is played – how about the reason that these “experimental” points were there to check whether a new referee is “ready” for the Grand slam finals – you don’t check a referee’s competence on a final match, similarly, one shouldn’t “test” questions in a real GMAT – there can be other ways to do so. By the way, the “experimental” points in the tennis match between Nadal and Djokovic can come handy if the organizers are bent upon declaring either one the winner.

To sum, all I wanted was fair scoring – a scoring without the notion that “This test taker will be made to pay a price for the computer/software issue that occurred last time, and although we have agreed on a retest, we will ensure that he gets the same score”

On a side note, according to the Procter at the center, the GMAC’s technical team investigating my last case found that the computer restarted only once (at the point when the score was to be reported); it is strange that it did not find that the computer had to be restarted twice after the AWA and IR section. This points that the investigation was just an eyewash.

Again, I am extremely disappointed.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear Govind,

Thank you for your message. Please email socialmedia@mba.com so that GMAC's customer care team can review your inquiry. In your email, please include your ID number, name and email address used to register for the exam, and a detailed explanation of the problem, so we can look into it.

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Jamal

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Jamal,

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I emailed customercare(at)mba(dot)com, I also copied GMATCandidateServicesAPAC(at)pearson(dot)com on the email.

I got a standard reply (laced with grammatical errors), I asked another questions but received no reply...the thing is unlike the GMAC team here at GMATClub, the GMAC support team is very slow to respond (at times they do not respond for days)

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC team,

I have been forced to post my grievance here as the GMAC customer support has not been replying to my emails despite multiple reminders.

When I took the first GMAT on November 23, 2013, I scored 570 due to GMAT’s faulty software, which crashed multiple times in the middle of the exam. This score was 140 points less than on a GMATPrep test that I taken a day ago, as a matter of fact I have scored, on the first attempt, 660, 690, 710 and 710 on the GMATPrep tests. After many emails and calls, Pearson conducted an investigation and found nothing wrong with the software or the scoring and closed the case. On my persistence, it did reopen the case though. It started an investigation but it was an eyewash – when I called the phone support, they could point out neither the number of times the computer shut down nor the exact point in the test when the computer shut down. When I talked to the Proctor at the exam centre, he told me that the “investigation” found that the computer shut down only once (just before generating the score report); however, as mentioned many times in my emails, the computer had shut down twice in the break after the AWA and IR section. This raises questions on the “investigation”.

I was offered a retest for $50. On December 11, 2013, I posted on the GMATClub forum “In normal circumstances I wouldn't have accepted the offer, the only reason I accepted the offer was because I was under time pressure (I had to take the test this month and there were no dates after Dec 24. I could not have taken a date before Dec 23 - this left me with only 1 date Dec 24, which I did not want to miss)”, so the only reason I accepted a retest was that I was running out of time.

In that post, I also mentioned “I also hope that I will be marked fairly (the algorithm will not take my past score in consideration and that it will not try to prove that I am a low scorer)”. This was not to happen, I was “given” the same score as the last time – 570. Only a couple of days before the GMAT exam on Dec 24, I had scored 50 in Quant and 39 in Verbal.

If I was scored fairly, I wouldn’t have scored 570 again (it is highly improbable to get exactly the same score again). And this too when I have consistently scored above 650 on GMAT Prep exams.

Unfair scoring is the last thing that I expected from an institute like GMAC. As suspected, it “punished” me for pointing out a genuine fault in the GMAT software.

Now it is difficult to trust GMAC’S investigations; I want to see my tests - the first as well as the second. I also know that GMAC has the “experimental” questions to its rescue – GMAC can simply say that the questions that I got right were “experimental” questions and the ones that I got wrong were the scoring questions.

Scoring 570 once because of the “experimental” questions can be attributed to bad luck; scoring 570 twice smells rat.

Again, I want to see my GMATs taken on November 23 and December 24.

I would also advise GMAC to look into the robustness of its software (stress test it more rigorously) and the placement of experimental questions. To be honest, if the business schools were willing to consider the score of some other test, I would not have bothered wasting my time here.

Finally, don’t play with the careers of others. Because of GMAC’s software and attitude, I have lost a year of my career. I wouldn’t like others to go through what I am going though, so I would share my experience with as many people as I can, and through as many mediums as I can.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear Govind,

Your testing sessions are always independent of one another: Your performance on one does not influence the questions you receive during any other testing sessions. The item selection and scoring algorithms are constant, the same for every examinee and every instance, regardless of past experience.

The experimental questions are a proportion of each section that do not count toward your score. Using your analogy, this is equivalent to training a new referee alongside the expert referees at the Grand slam finals. The judgment of the apprentice referee has no bearing on the outcome of the match, but is able to be compared to the judgments of the experts, to ensure that when the new referee is used, his calls will be trustworthy. The part of your analogy that suggests that one player is penalized while the other benefits does not apply, because the GMAT is not a heads-up match. Even so, both players played for the point, and equally paid an effort cost, regardless of whether they ‘won’ or ‘lost’ the point.

As with the algorithms, the process for experimental items is the same for every examinee and every instance. Each examinee will receive the same number of experimental items as every other examinee, without regard to current or past performance. The questions that count and the questions that do not are fixed for the administration, and the score would not be manipulated by selecting the experimental items after reviewing performance on all items.

I hope this helps clarify your concerns.

Alex from the GMAC Team

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Dear Alex and the rest of the GMAC team,

Happy New Year.

Thank you for your detailed reply; at last GMAC replied.

My postings on this forum are towards the greater good of all stakeholders - the test takers, the test makers, and the B-schools that consider the GMAT score.

The reason of my giving the tennis analogy was to show how “experimental” points mean a world of difference between a fair tennis game that is dependent on tennis skills and a tennis game that is dependent on luck. Similarly the experimental questions turn GMAT (an exam meant to test the aptitude to a test taker) into an exam that tests the luck of a person.

Stating that the number of “experimental” questions is equal for all test does not take away the fact that the “experimental” questions are still there. The test takers do not get a heads-up on the experimental questions, and this is like trapping them into spending time to answer the questions that don’t count.

You put forward the argument that “As with the algorithms, the process for experimental items is the same for every examinee and every instance. Each examinee will receive the same number of experimental items as every other examinee, without regard to current or past performance. The questions that count and the questions that do not are fixed for the administration, and the score would not be manipulated by selecting the experimental items after reviewing performance on all items.
”. A game of dice is quite similar - as with the GMAT, the numbers on the faces are the same for every player and on every instance. Each player will receive the same number of throws as every other player, without regard to current or past performance. The number of faces and the numbers on the faces are fixed, and the score would not be manipulated. Does that makes rolling the dice 37 times similar to attempting 37 quant questions? Similarly, is rolling the dice 41 times similar to attempting 41 verbal questions. And in both instances is it the aptitude that is being tested or is it the luck? And would the B-schools consider a dice player’s score as a reliable indicator of his aptitude – they won’t.

Admittedly, saying that GMAT is exactly similar to a game of dice would be an exaggeration - GMAT still requires aptitude. At the same, I would reiterate that the experimental questions make the GMAT and a game of dice quite similar – dependent on luck. The disappointing part is that GMAC, leave alone doing anything about it, does not admit it.

Another point to note is that of the three main stakeholders in the GMAT, the experimental questions go against two.
1. I have mentioned how they go against the test takers.
2. They also go against the B-schools who trust the GMAT score to be an indicator of a test taker’s aptitude (this is what GMAT mentions as one of the reason of taking the GMAT). The truth is that the GMAT scores are not a true indicator – as pointed earlier, they are influenced by factors similar to factors in a dice game – as you cannot call a dice game score an indicator of pure aptitude, similarly GMAT score cannot be called an indicator of pure aptitude. At the moment, a B-school, assuming the GMAT score to be a perfect aptitude indicator, might screen-in a test taker who scored high and screen-out a test taker who scored less. I am not sure how many B-schools, knowing the true impact of the experimental questions on the scores, will still accept the GMAT scores.
3. As for the third stakeholder – the GMAC, undoubtedly, the GMAT is the easiest place to have the experimental questions – nothing can be easier than throwing in the experimental questions in the real test and letting the gullible test takers fall in trap. While this is easy, the question is – is it ethical? The actual GMAT is not the right place to pounce upon unsuspecting test takers to “test” questions – this is akin to considering the test takers as guinea pigs for GMACs experiments and experimental questions. I am quite sure there are other ways to test questions.

If GMAC still wants to have the experimental questions in the GMAT, then there are better ways to do it – get smarter, tweak the software so that the scores are less dependent on the test taker’s luck and thus showcase the true aptitude of the test. For example, rather than having a set number of experimental questions (for example 10 in a section) – GMAC can tweak the software in a way that kind of makes sure that the number of attempted experimental questions are the same for every test taker. Admittedly, the tweak is going to be complicated but if GMAC wants to have experimental questions as well as a score reflecting the real aptitude then GMAC has to think outside the box. In its present form, the scores do not get the test takers and the B-Schools what they really want – scores uninfluenced by luck.

In the light of the above arguments, I would like to know:
1. How committed is GMAC to have the luck factor taken off the GMAT completely and make the GMAT a test of pure aptitude?
2. What is the need of experimental questions? I am quite sure that the test makers are quite competent - does GMAC doubt their competence?
3. No one exactly knows the number of the experimental questions – is it one, two, three, thirty?

Had luck or experimental questions played no role – there would not have been a drop of 8 points in Quant and an improvement of 8 in Verbal (my aptitude did not change in a month).

Why is it that even after consistently scoring around 690 on prep tests and the GMATPrep tests, I scored 570 on the real GMAT both times? – it has either to do with the faulty software or the “experimental” questions.

Finally, I would again request you to reassess my test manually and show me my tests – at this point in this, this is what transparency calls for.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC team,

I was due to take my GMAT exam last week but was not allowed to take the exam due to a name mismatch.

My GMAT account had an additional Name which was not present in my passport.

E.g.
In my passport: Last Name: XXX, First Name: YYY
In my GMAT account: Last Name: XXX, First Name: YYY ZZZ (My original name on my passport is in chinese, but i have an english name which i use at work which i included in the GMAT account)

Also, i have take the test twice using this account. It was only on the third time that the test centre personnel denied me entry.

Pearson Vue shut me down completely by stating that it is in their rules and conditions and refused to provide a refund or a resit of the GMAT.

I would really appreciate your input into this matter. The pearson vue response has not been very helpful.

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Hi sspenzz,
Please send an email to socialmedia@mba.com so that GMAC's customer care team can look into this. In your email, make sure to include your GMAT ID number, the full name and email address that you used to register for the exam, and a detailed explanation of your situation.

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Dear GMAC team,

I am still awaiting answers to some questions that I asked earlier.

In an email to me, GMAC wrote: The scores that are listed on your unofficial and the score that will be listed on the official score report once it becomes available 20 calendar days after testing will be accurate and will contain no errors.
I would like to know whether the statement above mean that the scores on the unofficial report and the scores on the official scores are both accurate - if yes, then what is the point of the so called "comparison of the scores at the testing center and the Pearson hub"? It points that this comparison is an eyewash - as a matter of fact, do the unofficial and official scores ever vary?

Furthermore, what did the investigation in my last test actually say about the number of times the computer shut down and the time in the test when it shut down? The phone support representative did not have the answer and the Proctor said that it happened once (which is not true) – so I would like to know the actual findings of the investigation.

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Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC Team,

I purchased the GMATPrep Exam Pack 1. Order #210612623

Now when I try to install the GMATPrep Exam Pack 1 on another computer, I am not allowed to. The computer does not take the Activation Code: 3xxxxxxxxxxxx4

Please help.

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Dear GMAC team,

I am still awaiting answers to some questions that I asked earlier.

In an email to me, GMAC wrote: The scores that are listed on your unofficial and the score that will be listed on the official score report once it becomes available 20 calendar days after testing will be accurate and will contain no errors.
I would like to know whether the statement above mean that the scores on the unofficial report and the scores on the official scores are both accurate - if yes, then what is the point of the so called "comparison of the scores at the testing center and the Pearson hub"? It points that this comparison is an eyewash - as a matter of fact, do the unofficial and official scores ever vary?

Furthermore, what did the investigation in my last test actually say about the number of times the computer shut down and the time in the test when it shut down? The phone support representative did not have the answer and the Proctor said that it happened once (which is not true) – so I would like to know the actual findings of the investigation.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC team,

After not receiving any reply from GMAC on the forum or on email, I decided to talk with the GMAC phone support today.

I specifically asked about the investigation into my first test.

As it turned out, the investigation had several cracks. Over the time, the investigation has given different outcomes.
• I took the first GMAT (the test in question) on Nov 23. During the test the computer crashed twice and on the same day, I wrote an email to GMAC “The computer crashed after the AWA and Integrated reasoning section – This happened in front of the test administrator (you can verify this with the computer logs and the video recording), he tried to get the computer back on but it crashed again (again, you can verify this with the computer logs and the video recording). It was on the second attempt that the computer started”. As you can read, I clearly mentioned that the computer had crashed twice after the AWA and Integrated reasoning section
• I called the GMAT customer care on Nov 26 and this was when an incident number (205361320) was created and an investigation started.
• According to the phone rep with whom I had a talk today, the case was edited on Dec 2 with comments ‘no issues found’
• I talked to the Phone rep on Dec 10 or 11, he mentioned that the investigators found the system had shut down, but at the same time he could not let me know how many times and when in the test.
• When I talked to the Proctor at the test center, he mentioned that the investigators had found that the system had shut down only once (just before printing the score report).
• According to the phone rep with whom I had a talk today, the same case was again edited again on Jan 6 (Almost 1 and half months after the incident); this time it found that the PC had crashed/shut down twice (something that I have been maintaining from day 1)…the phone support still does not know the time of the crash.

So after 1 and a half months of investigation, the investigators found the real issue – this seriously puts the investigation to question. If the investigators had checked the logs properly, this was a day’s work. What it involves is checking the logs with open eyes.

The shoddy investigation strengthens my stand that the scores that I received are also not my real scores. I couldn't have scored 570 twice. The tests need to be checked again. If I assume that a majority of the questions that I got right were experimental questions but it is highly improbable that something like that would happen twice – if this has really happened, then the software needs to be re-looked into.

Once bitten –twice shy. At this point in time, even if you start an investigation, frankly saying, I will be very doubtful of the investigators’ intent, but I am hoping against hope.

Finally, the phone rep today also mentioned that the Unofficial and Official score reports have never varied. This puts to question the purpose of the score comparison at the Pearson hub.

Sincerely,
Govind Singh Patwal

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Dear GMAC team

Hello. I'm new to this forum. Nice to meet you

I have a few question to ask you. Please support me by answering them.

First, right now I haven't choose the universities that I would like to enter yet but I want to take GMAT test for future use. I have read the GMAT report scored policy and it says that if you don't choose any receiver and cancel your test on the exam day, you will never know your score, even in unofficial score report. Is there a way I can know my full score report, including AWA , without submitting my score to receiver? I think the full score report will help me improve my weakness.

Second, If I want to take a second-round test, will it be more chargeable fee for that?

Thank you and sorry for any mistaken grammar

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Hi GMAT Team,

Thanks for fielding questions.

My GMAT score is dramatically different from my previous practice scores. Is it possible to go into a testing center and review what I got wrong?

After averaging 740 on practice tests for the better part of a month, I got a 710 on the GMAT. My Quant score was 58th percentile, even though my practice Quant scores went like this: 73rd%, 85th%, 92nd%, 98th%, 92nd%.

When I finished the test, I stared incredulously at the screen. I thought I was reading it wrong. It's still blowing my mind. So if the Quant score really is legitimate, I would at least like to be able to review the questions and understand how my score dropped so much.

Thanks.

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