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I took my GMAT official exam on 8th Nov, 2017. And while I achieved a 140 point improvement in a month, I would still be taking another shot Gmat. This is the reason for the delay in posting this de-brief. I wanted to post it when I took the final attempt. However, looking at how GMAT Club had completely transformed my score, I thought I would share my 2 cents worth with other members. First of all bb thanks for this amazing place, I really do not know where I would without this place. This is specially true for a mother like me, who is managing part time work, two daughters, family and a speaking career. It is not possible for me to attend in-person classes because of my daughter's schedules (they are only two years old). I cannot seem to find an online course that works for me except TTP (which I highly recommend for its quant portion).

Here are some quick facts about me:
1) I am mother to two young beautiful girls. I have an undergrad in IT and journalism. I have worked for over five years in finance and done a lot of development sector work including starting and running my own NGO. Despite all of this mathematics does not happen to my strong suite. my undergrad in IT gave me strong logical reasoning skills which went dim because of NOT using them extensively.

2) I never took a lot of standardized test and never came across SAT, LSAT, ACTs etc. Verbal was always a stronger area for me. I have written numerous articles in my career and have authored a book.

Prep Time: over two months (250 hours +)
Prep Materials used: MGMAT Guides, TTP course, Veritas Course (partially).
First Score (GMAT Prep- Oct 3, 2017) 510 (don't remember the breakup).
Final Score (GMAT Nov 08, 2017) 640 (q 43, V 35) AWA 5.5, IR: 4
List of exams I took:
GMAT Prep. 510 (q32, v27) Oct 03, 2017
Veritas Prep 540 (q 38, v27) Oct 07, 2017
Veritas Prep. 570 (q 37, v32) Oct 10, 2017
Veritas Prep 570 (q 42, v26) Oct 13, 2017
Veritas Prep 550 (q 37, v29) Oct 25, 2017
GMAT Prep. 560 (q 39, v28) Oct 29, 2017
Exam Pack 1 570 (q 43, v26) Nov 05, 2017
Exam Pack 1. 590 (q 46, v26) Nov 06, 2017

My subsection breakdown was as follows:
Verbal : 76%
SC: 73%
CR: 70%
RC: 73%

Quant: 50%
Arithmetic: 51%
Algebra & Geometry: 45%

Overall I spent 80% of my prep time on quant section. And a glance at my scores would reveal that I never scored above v32 expect for one test from Veritas. Here is my story with learning and tips for people to pick along the way:

1) FIRST MONTH-Manhattan Guides: I spent one month completing all of the MGMAT Guides. I attempted every drill question listed in the book and took the baseline diagnostic test on Oct 3, 2017 only to score a mere 510. I was devastated by the score. I think MGMAT might be good for a few students. I read rave reviews about them. In my humble opinion, they are good for basic contents but slightly overhyped. I believe the quant section is average (for example it has very basic coverage of rates and work problems. I only found how in-comprehensive it was, when I took the TPP course.) The book on RC and CR is absolute basic. I would not even know the basics of the argument despite doing the books twice. I was able to complete 25% of CR Bible when my scores went up to the 60% percentile.

2) SECOND MONTH- TTP: During the second month (after taking the initial exam), I looked at my 510 score and realized three things:
i) I should have taken the test earlier. I was very nervous on the test (my arms were shaking and my breathing was irregular for first 20 minutes). I realized I should calm my nerves. This simple step boosted my score to 540 in the next Veritas Prep test
ii) Weak Areas Identification: Algebra, Geometry & Rates problems- Looking at these areas, I took a five day trail from TTP and ordered the one month course. It was the single most important thing in raising my score from late 30's to early 40's)
iii) I realized that pacing was most important. I was putting way too much time in first questions and missing last five questions.

During this month, I completed all chapters of TTP, did few questions from GMAT club and 8 practice exams (Veritas and GMAT Prep). Additionally I completed OG-17 question for quant section only.

3) Verbal- Prep Combo- For verbal I took a couple of sessions from E-gmat, free sessions from Veritas Prep. I got used books of Veritas Prep from a friend. I think the MGMAT SC book is brutal but the Veritas SC book forces you use that information in a methodical way. It teaches you slash-and-burn technique, decision points and poe. I am sure other test prep companies do the same but I found veritas free lessons on sc helped me boost my score by at least 5 points.

The course content was overall good. And as my practice tests would show I was stuck on a score of 550-570 for good about 15 days and no matter what I did my score didn't budge an inch, except going down once! At this point there was one thing that saved my score and could save yours: Data Analytics and Analysis. At first glance it seems a big and complicated word but here is how it worked for me:

1) I had good data points. 7 practice tests so considerable questions. I looked at the detailed reports that came with the purchase of Exam Pack 1 and 2 (highly recommended as these are the closest thing to the real test). I saw my wrong answers and found them completely variable sometimes 12, sometime 17. Sometimes I had less wrong answers and lower score and more wrong answers and higher score. So it made me realize, that that the number of questions right or wrong were not as important as the level of difficulty of questions. I was not able to see the difficulty level of questions on GMAT Prep software however veritas tests clearly showed what questions I got wrong. In the detailed analysis I realized I got couple of 650-700 level questions right. Still a 570 score, didn't seem to add up.

2) Wrong Answer patterns: At this point I focused on my wrong answer pattern. Almost all of my verbal questions at the last leg (last 8-10) were wrong. It was not because I never understood them but because I ran out of time. I was basically using up all of my time up front and my score in verbal took a nose dive always. At this point I looked at scenario analysis done by Bunuel on gmat guessing strategy. I discovered that if we guessed randomly every third question on quant, our score could still be 46-48. In fact, I would have hit that score had I used first 4 minutes on first question on actual exam. While extensive testing has not been done for verbal, my big takeaway was this: you can attempt 33 questions and guess 8 and still get a decent score.

3) Helpful Exam Day tips: I read a de-brief a member wrote on how he had scored in the 700 range on the mocks and 550 on the final exam. Needless to say he was devastated and so was I, reading his story. But then I found some clues. He mentioned taking the order on the test as Quant, Verbal, AWA & IR. Basically he was nervous during the first 15-20 minutes that cost him his score. In looking at his score, I realized how I scored higher just by understanding this very thing. I never scored 700 in any mock yet I scored my highest score in actual exam. REASON: I had anticipated that this exam would make me nervous. So I opted for the section ordering AWA, IR, Q & V. In doing so, my nerves were pretty stable by the time I hit actual quant. In fact, my nervousness may explain my low IR score. slingfox three tips were a lifesaver on the exam: 1) taking all breaks and eating bananas. It may make me a cousin of the monkey but I had my bananas during the breaks. 2) staying hydrated- your brain needs that water to function. 3) splash of water during the break- I cannot emphasize how important it was. He mentioned that it gives rise to something called a drivers reflux. I don't know what that is - feel free to google it. I know it helped me bring my focus back. I felt on the exam I had bombed my Quant portion. And this splash made me re-focus towards verbal and score a 35. I think doing jumping jacks in the restroom was certainly a novel idea for me that must have boosted my score.

Finally, I am still on the journey, I would be hoping to break the 700 barrier. I am actively looking for the support of the community here. I hope this de-brief can add some value for you. I know it is not an ideal score but given the time I had and the constraints it is a fairly decent score. I believe it takes a tribe to reach your goals and I would be excited to reach mine with GMATCLUB tribe. Looking forward to your support. Although I have little things that can add value but I would be honored if I could help you in anyway.

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Congrats for reaching your first milestone. It is impressive to see someone with
such a massive improvement in spite of odd circumstances under which you managed time well.

I have a couple of Qs though:

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List of exams I took:
GMAT Prep. 510 (q32, v27) Oct 03, 2017
Veritas Prep 540 (q 38, v27) Oct 07, 2017
Veritas Prep. 570 (q 37, v32) Oct 10, 2017
Veritas Prep 570 (q 42, v26) Oct 13, 2017
Veritas Prep 550 (q 37, v29) Oct 25, 2017
GMAT Prep. 560 (q 39, v28) Oct 29, 2017
Exam Pack 1 570 (q 43, v26) Nov 05, 2017
Exam Pack 1. 590 (q 46, v26) Nov 06, 2017


Your Veritas prep resonate much with my current prep level.
I wanted to ask: in Veritas Mocks, we do not get sub-section wise accuracy
say for geometry, or modifiers or assumptions. Did you make manual notes
for Q types s you got incorrect? Do share your views.

Pros for Veritas: Its scoring algorithm seems to be close to GMAC.

All the very best for your re-attempt.
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adkikani: Many thanks for your kind words. Congrats on good pacing. The practice scores on Veritas exam is a good indicator that you could hopefully break the 700 barrier. I think I might have done so myself had I had another 20 days to one month.

I will try to address your questions:

The best thing one can have is an error log (I was unable to have that). Next to the error log, your most powerful tool is the analysis sheet of your mocks/ exams.

I learnt that GMAT Prep (the free question sets and the exam packs) do not have breakdown of questions by level of difficulty. The other tests MGMAT, Veritas etc do not have breakdown by sections. Also, GMAT breaks quant sections by arithmetic, geometry etc. while test prep companies break down by number properties, fractions/decimals/percents etc. So it was a mix-and-match approach for me.

I used my Veritas results to get a feel of how I was handling questions: it was important that I was served difficult level questions else my score would never hit the 600 and 700 land. I was making a note manually about the patterns of wrong answers, I did not want to get too many wrong answers in a row, not even at the end. I don't know if you have access to Veritas prep tests, but what I found super useful was the analysis the tests did for me. They had a graph of my progress. It showed me how I was progressing and also how I using my test time with useful hints as you rushed the last part etc.

I used GMAT prep for sectional abilities and trends. Generally, Veritas had little correlation with the real exam questions. Also, I have experienced it and read some places at the forum that GMAT Prep sort of gives you a higher quant score vs real exam. In my case I got 46, a night or two before the exam and it was on an upward trajectory but I actually scored 43. Also on the mocks I didn't realize but I must have been dealing with harder questions for it seemed like I could not solve any. But when the scores flashed on the screen they were progressing: 42, 43, 46.

Frankly, I just attempted 1 MGMAT test. I didn't include it here cause I did it untimed. But what I learnt was that quant here was much harder than real exam. The surprising discovery I made in test 1 of MGMAT was that under untimed conditions I scored 40 in Quant and 35 in verbal. That for me was a sign that I was good at Verbal but rushing through the exam was causing me scores in late 20s vs 35.

Thanks for your kind wishes for my re-attempt. I hope that helps!
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It seems we are on different page and hence would like to correct your understanding :-)

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The other tests MGMAT, Veritas etc do not have breakdown by sections.

Veritas does not, but Manhattan has (please refer attachments)


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I used my Veritas results to get a feel of how I was handling questions: it was important that I was served difficult level questions else my score would never hit the 600 and 700 land. I was making a note manually about the patterns of wrong answers, I did not want to get too many wrong answers in a row, not even at the end. I don't know if you have access to Veritas prep tests, but what I found super useful was the analysis the tests did for me. They had a graph of my progress. It showed me how I was progressing and also how I using my test time with useful hints as you rushed the last part etc.


Well, ESR from GMAC and Veritas barcharts (time spent for slot of 10 Qs) are lot different. While ESR covers entire time span of mock, it seems
Veritas gives only selected (read last 10Qs for verbal and quant) for pacing analysis in detailed report.
I am talking about strategy discussion on pacing and not timing spent per Q.

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I used GMAT prep for sectional abilities and trends.

Did you mean ESR? or you used manual notes. If the later, can you share here if comfortable?

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Generally, Veritas had little correlation with the real exam questions. Also, I have experienced it and read some places at the forum that GMAT Prep sort of gives you a higher quant score vs real exam. In my case I got 46, a night or two before the exam and it was on an upward trajectory but I actually scored 43. Also on the mocks I didn't realize but I must have been dealing with harder questions for it seemed like I could not solve any. But when the scores flashed on the screen they were progressing: 42, 43, 46.

Here I meant that algorithm that Veritas uses to make necessary corrections in determining one's ability is very close to GMAC.


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Frankly, I just attempted 1 MGMAT test. I didn't include it here cause I did it untimed. But what I learnt was that quant here was much harder than real exam. The surprising discovery I made in test 1 of MGMAT was that under untimed conditions I scored 40 in Quant and 35 in verbal. That for me was a sign that I was good at Verbal but rushing through the exam was causing me scores in late 20s vs 35.


I am attaching mine sample of MGMAT analysis (again this in only part of sub-sections which they provide in complete assessment report)

In all my point was: seems we can't make best of both worlds(manhattan vs veritas) meet :lol: :-D

VeritasPrepKarishma DmitryFarber EMPOWERgmatRichC can you add your two cents
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adkikani. Sorry.... I think it was like John Gray's title, I was comfortably on planet Venus and your questions were about planet Mars! Thanks for the clarification.

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Well, ESR from GMAC and Veritas barcharts (time spent for slot of 10 Qs) are lot different. While ESR covers entire time span of mock, it seems
Veritas gives only selected (read last 10Qs for verbal and quant) for pacing analysis in detailed report.
I am talking about strategy discussion on pacing and not timing spent per Q.



Yes, true Veritas just provides feedback for pacing of last ten questions unlike ESR for the whole section. And I took a manual glance my performance. In less than 5 minutes I saw a few patterns:

I am trying to attach the screen shots for 1st ten questions vs. last ten (I hope its attached). What three things did I quickly observe?
1) I am answering some 700 level questions, most incorrect (bulk of time wasted here), some correct.

2) Compare the avg time for my last ten questions vs. avg time for first ten. I was attempting questions in last leg in as little as 35-50 seconds. In one exam, I ran out of time completing on 36 out of 41. Notice, I am not looking at time/question but rather an avg. time for first, middle and last questions. Veritas does not tell me this explicitly instead the one para summary asks me "did you spend too much time answering first ten questions?"

3) Comparison of time taken on correct vs. incorrect questions. It was interesting that I was spending over 2.5 minutes on wrong questions and surprisingly getting the right ones in 2 minutes (quant) and 1.50 (verbal). This analysis is attached as a screen shot to give you an example of what I mean.

In finance we had something called a mosaic theory- where you combined different pieces of information to reach conclusion about a company. So I combined these pieces of information to get a feel of why I was performing so bad. I remember reading an article on Veritas blog, the article was titled "How to score more than you deserve on GMAT". In summary, it said fight only questions that are your ability level and duck the ones that are above your reach. I realized I was scoring lower because in the given time I was trying to attempt 700 level questions while still being at 600-650 ability level.

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Did you mean ESR? or you used manual notes. If the later, can you share here if comfortable?

I think it is called the ESR for mocks as well, although I am not SURE. I have attached the screen shot of it. My ESR for actual exam was way too detailed.

I hope we are on same planet?
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P.S. I am still new to posting on the site, so the screen shot are little out of place. please forgive me for that!
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Sorry.... I think it was like John Gray's title, I was comfortably on planet Venus and your questions were about planet Mars! Thanks for the clarification.


Nice to know about your reading topics :lol: .
[Reveal] Spoiler:
you shall love this clip to help you unwind


I have few concerns regarding what is happening with you at start vs towards the end:

a. You started on a mediocre note with 70% accuracy. What is more impressive
for me is the difficulty level of Qs you got correct. Keep the good job up.

b. The horror show is in the middle part. I do not know what is happening in last 10
since you did not share the screen shot, but my gut intuition says you are either feeling
short of focus or energy (read food) Why do I think so? You are not faltering on concepts otherwise
your performance would not as impressive as in first 10 Qs.

c. If I compare mine verbal journey, mine dashboard very clearly says to work on RC.
Since my accuracy levels are far better for SC/CR (81% / 71%) vs RC (55%) However I think
I hurried so much through the test which hit my accuracy.
In fact I completed V 18 mins earlier

Did you get such clear
interpretation in your self analysis too?

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In finance we had something called a mosaic theory- where you combined different pieces of information to reach conclusion about a company. So I combined these pieces of information to get a feel of why I was performing so bad. I remember reading an article on Veritas blog, the article was titled "How to score more than you deserve on GMAT". In summary, it said fight only questions that are your ability level and duck the ones that are above your reach. I realized I was scoring lower because in the given time I was trying to attempt 700 level questions while still being at 600-650 ability level.


I would rephrase this as: know your average correct time and then make a wild guess if you overshoot the average. It is no use
spending 3+ mins on any Q

Once again thanks for your debrief and eager to see you on 700+ elite scorers sooner!!
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Hi Everyone,

I took my GMAT official exam on 8th Nov, 2017. And while I achieved a 140 point improvement in a month, I would still be taking another shot. This is the reason for the delay in posting this de-brief. I wanted to post it when I took the final attempt. However, looking at how GMAT Club had completely transformed my score, I thought I would share my 2 cents worth with other members. First of all bbthanks for this amazing place, I really do not know where I would without this place. This is specially true for a mother like me, who is managing part time work, two daughters, family and a speaking career. It is not possible for me to attend in-person classes because of my daughter's schedules (they are only two years old). I cannot seem to find an online course that works for me except TTP (which I highly recommend for its quant portion).

Here are some quick facts about me:
1) I am mother to two young beautiful girls. I have an undergrad in IT and journalism. I have worked for over five years in finance and done a lot of development sector work including starting and running my own NGO. Despite all of this mathematics does not happen to my strong suite. my undergrad in IT gave me strong logical reasoning skills which went dim because of NOT using them extensively.

2) I never took a lot of standardized test and never came across SAT, LSAT, ACTs etc. Verbal was always a stronger area for me. I have written numerous articles in my career and have authored a book.

Prep Time: over two months (250 hours +)
Prep Materials used: MGMAT Guides, TTP course, Veritas Course (partially).
First Score (GMAT Prep- Oct 3, 2017) 510 (don't remember the breakup).
Final Score (GMAT Nov 08, 2017) 640 (q 43, V 35) AWA 5.5, IR: 4
List of exams I took:
GMAT Prep. 510 (q32, v27) Oct 03, 2017
Veritas Prep 540 (q 38, v27) Oct 07, 2017
Veritas Prep. 570 (q 37, v32) Oct 10, 2017
Veritas Prep 570 (q 42, v26) Oct 13, 2017
Veritas Prep 550 (q 37, v29) Oct 25, 2017
GMAT Prep. 560 (q 39, v28) Oct 29, 2017
Exam Pack 1 570 (q 43, v26) Nov 05, 2017
Exam Pack 1. 590 (q 46, v26) Nov 06, 2017



Lots and lots of Kudos for not letting this dampen your spirit. At 640, you are not very far from your desired scored and looking at the progress you have made, it's going to happen sooner than later. Welcome :)
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Hey @adkikani- Many thanks for the all the support, guidance and the clip. I will really watch it over the weekend. My reading choices are lot more boring than that though. They include Man's search for meaning, Sophie's world, Habit etc. I will be rooting for your great score.
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