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Ok so here is my profile. I gave my GMAT last month and since then have been really busy with work and just doing soul searching if this is what I want to do for sure. Still the process is going on

Ethnicity: Indian Male 28 years
GMAT: 760 (51Q, 42V, 5 AWA)
GPAs: 9.3/10 (undergrad), 3.8/4 (grad)
Work Ex: ~5 now. Worked in India, a failed startup and now in a tech giant. (Yes! I am part of dreaded Engg/IT pool :P)
ECs: Few; nothing stellar but lots of volunteering and stuff (will need to weave it all together)
Interested in: Technology, Entrepreneurship and General Mgmt
Schools shortlisted: Still brooding over. Seems like Wharton and MIT will be good options.
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OMG that is funny!!! You got too much time on your hands now rhyme, eh? ;)

Yea, I wasted like an hour on that... hah.

I was hoping for more laughs considering how much time I wasted putting that together.
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You know, I still can't figure out why there aren't more women in b-school.

I like the part about the naughty triangles best. Did you intend the double entendre?
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OMG that is funny!!! You got too much time on your hands now rhyme, eh? ;)

Yea, I wasted like an hour on that... hah.

I was hoping for more laughs considering how much time I wasted putting that together.
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Rhyme thats really funny
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OMG that is funny!!! You got too much time on your hands now rhyme, eh? ;)

Yea, I wasted like an hour on that... hah.

I was hoping for more laughs considering how much time I wasted putting that together.

You know, I still can't figure out why there aren't more women in b-school.

I like the part about the naughty triangles best. Did you intend the double entendre?
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Yea...
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I'm jumping onto the application band wagon.. with a weak profile when compared to the rest of you guys...

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Work Exp: 1.5 years business development (started studying part time) 1.5 years starting a dot com (studied part time while doing it), 6 months doing marketing strategy for a company (bailed out, project failed - do you think I should put this on my resume?, 2.2 years in commercial banking, just started a new job at an i-bank
Undergrad: CGPA 4.67/7.00, advertising and marketing - australia
Extra curricular: represented university in 8-ball pool, coached the pool team, play the piano, was on the employee morale team at the bank, 3 years volunteer work with a women's organization, just started a calculus course to make up for my lack of quant in my undergrad

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Post-MBA: consulting

too much of a dream to get into a top school? am I going to fail amidst the international applicants with 780/4.0/5 years non profit work ? :( sigh....

any ideas where else I might look at applying to?
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I'm jumping onto the application band wagon.. with a weak profile when compared to the rest of you guys...

Malaysian, male
GMAT: 710 (Q48 V40)
Work Exp: 1.5 years business development (started studying part time) 1.5 years starting a dot com (studied part time while doing it), 6 months doing marketing strategy for a company (bailed out, project failed - do you think I should put this on my resume?, 2.2 years in commercial banking, just started a new job at an i-bank
Undergrad: CGPA 4.67/7.00, advertising and marketing - australia
Extra curricular: represented university in 8-ball pool, coached the pool team, play the piano, was on the employee morale team at the bank, 3 years volunteer work with a women's organization, just started a calculus course to make up for my lack of quant in my undergrad
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Nice GMAT score. I'm not clear on what experience was full time and was was part time - sounds like your schooling was part time? In any case, I'd say the background is interesting, early experience in business development combined with a flair for risk taking and pursuing your goals leads to joining a firm who, in the end, doesn't make it. Nonetheless, the experience provides you with valuable insight into business and leads to an interest in X which in turn results in a move into banking. All of this combined with an alternative transcript and long standing (3 years) volunteer experience.... Prima facie, sounds pretty good to me. All depends on how you spin it... and how well you can describe your current path in relation to your intended path. The "why" of consulting will be important here to explain your route.

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Obviously a long shot, but its a long shot for everyone.

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Entirely plausible... It's impossible to say if something is likely - but you fit within the realm of reality for these schools.

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Well, with a post mba plan of consulting... take a peek at Chicago GSB too, 22% went into consulting last year - with a median salary of $110,000 and sign on bonuses of $20,000 including McKinsey, BCG, Deloitte, Bain, etc.

Along the same lines, think of Ross as well. They also do quite well in consulting. I think its about 25% go that route there - and they also have the usual suspects (Bain, etc)

One word to the wise - don't read too much into the specific numbers at each school. I've seen people argue that school X is better than Y because school X placed 8 people at Bain and Y placed 6.... its an inconsequential difference -- Your odds of getting a job at Bain or BCG are not going to vary dramatically among top schools.
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Nice GMAT score. I'm not clear on what experience was full time and was was part time - sounds like your schooling was part time? In any case, I'd say the background is interesting, early experience in business development combined with a flair for risk taking and pursuing your goals leads to joining a firm who, in the end, doesn't make it. Nonetheless, the experience provides you with valuable insight into business and leads to an interest in X which in turn results in a move into banking. All of this combined with an alternative transcript and long standing (3 years) volunteer experience.... Prima facie, sounds pretty good to me. All depends on how you spin it... and how well you can describe your current path in relation to your intended path. The "why" of consulting will be important here to explain your route.
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rhyme, thanks for your feedback.

yeah, I studied part time and worked full time. I'm just wondering how I'm going to tie in all that different work experience into wanting to do consulting. I mean, to be honest, it's a bit all over the place... I feel that in some sense I've been able to become a jack of all trades in a general sense. Unfortunately I have yet to complete my course, so I won't be able to provide an alternative transcript.

hbs a long shot? heh. yeah, i figured something like that... i'm torn between applying because I know it's a long shot, but on the other hand, it would offer so much opportunity if I could get an admit. if I do apply, I'll probably do it in round 2 as I would like to get Tuck on the ED round and Wharton on r1 (both which would probably be more realistic than HBS)...

oh well. :) thanks again.
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Nice GMAT score. I'm not clear on what experience was full time and was was part time - sounds like your schooling was part time? In any case, I'd say the background is interesting, early experience in business development combined with a flair for risk taking and pursuing your goals leads to joining a firm who, in the end, doesn't make it. Nonetheless, the experience provides you with valuable insight into business and leads to an interest in X which in turn results in a move into banking. All of this combined with an alternative transcript and long standing (3 years) volunteer experience.... Prima facie, sounds pretty good to me. All depends on how you spin it... and how well you can describe your current path in relation to your intended path. The "why" of consulting will be important here to explain your route.

rhyme, thanks for your feedback.

yeah, I studied part time and worked full time. I'm just wondering how I'm going to tie in all that different work experience into wanting to do consulting. I mean, to be honest, it's a bit all over the place... I feel that in some sense I've been able to become a jack of all trades in a general sense. Unfortunately I have yet to complete my course, so I won't be able to provide an alternative transcript.

hbs a long shot? heh. yeah, i figured something like that... i'm torn between applying because I know it's a long shot, but on the other hand, it would offer so much opportunity if I could get an admit. if I do apply, I'll probably do it in round 2 as I would like to get Tuck on the ED round and Wharton on r1 (both which would probably be more realistic than HBS)...

oh well. :) thanks again.
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Well, I shouldn't say HBS is a long shot. I've seen people admitted there who, quite frankly, should have been long shots at the university of pheonix online. One person in particular was truly baffling. Yet, she got in. Another girl I know there freely admits that "being hispanic is great" (620 GMAT too). No doubt, theres a certain element of randomness and a certain element of luck.

As for jack of all trades, king of none... welcome to the club. Thats the same general issue I had - explaining my several moves into various industries in differing roles.

When I read your background the first idea that popped into my head went something like this... maybe it'll give you some ideas.

I entered marketing out of school, focused in business development.
Excited by the prospect of startups, I joined a company in a marketing role, but the firm floundered.

Disappointed but resilient I took stock of my skills and decided to build a stronger financial background and thus moved into banking where I am now.

I did this because I hoped to merge the skills I already had in marketing with more analytical skills in finance so as to understand business problems from multiple viewpoints.

However, I realized that I lacked the necessary cohesive models to tie together these multi disciplinary concepts, which in turn lead to my interest in an MBA.

Thus I want an MBA from X because you have A,B,C and A+B+C = D, and D is exactly what I lack and it makes me feel all fuzzy and warm to think about D. D is cool. I'm not cool yet, but with D, I'd give the kids from the OC a run for their money. Let me in now.

Immediately afterwards, in order to refine my strategic perspective, I seek a role at Bain or BCG because my neighboor says they are the bizomb, whatever that means.
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Nice GMAT score. I'm not clear on what experience was full time and was was part time - sounds like your schooling was part time? In any case, I'd say the background is interesting, early experience in business development combined with a flair for risk taking and pursuing your goals leads to joining a firm who, in the end, doesn't make it. Nonetheless, the experience provides you with valuable insight into business and leads to an interest in X which in turn results in a move into banking. All of this combined with an alternative transcript and long standing (3 years) volunteer experience.... Prima facie, sounds pretty good to me. All depends on how you spin it... and how well you can describe your current path in relation to your intended path. The "why" of consulting will be important here to explain your route.

rhyme, thanks for your feedback.

yeah, I studied part time and worked full time. I'm just wondering how I'm going to tie in all that different work experience into wanting to do consulting. I mean, to be honest, it's a bit all over the place... I feel that in some sense I've been able to become a jack of all trades in a general sense. Unfortunately I have yet to complete my course, so I won't be able to provide an alternative transcript.

hbs a long shot? heh. yeah, i figured something like that... i'm torn between applying because I know it's a long shot, but on the other hand, it would offer so much opportunity if I could get an admit. if I do apply, I'll probably do it in round 2 as I would like to get Tuck on the ED round and Wharton on r1 (both which would probably be more realistic than HBS)...

oh well. :) thanks again.

Well, I shouldn't say HBS is a long shot. I've seen people admitted there who, quite frankly, should have been long shots at the university of pheonix online. One person in particular was truly baffling. Yet, she got in. Another girl I know there freely admits that "being hispanic is great" (620 GMAT too). No doubt, theres a certain element of randomness and a certain element of luck.

As for jack of all trades, king of none... welcome to the club. Thats the same general issue I had - explaining my several moves into various industries in differing roles.

When I read your background the first idea that popped into my head went something like this... maybe it'll give you some ideas.

I entered marketing out of school, focused in business development.
Excited by the prospect of startups, I joined a company in a marketing role, but the firm floundered.

Disappointed but resilient I took stock of my skills and decided to build a stronger financial background and thus moved into banking where I am now.

I did this because I hoped to merge the skills I already had in marketing with more analytical skills in finance so as to understand business problems from multiple viewpoints.

However, I realized that I lacked the necessary cohesive models to tie together these multi disciplinary concepts, which in turn lead to my interest in an MBA.

Thus I want an MBA from X because you have A,B,C and A+B+C = D, and D is exactly what I lack and it makes me feel all fuzzy and warm to think about D. D is cool. I'm not cool yet, but with D, I'd give the kids from the OC a run for their money. Let me in now.

Immediately afterwards, in order to refine my strategic perspective, I seek a role at Bain or BCG because my neighboor says they are the bizomb, whatever that means.
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rhyme.. you're the bizomb.... :P

in general, that's the line that I've taken with my why mba essay. I just need to distill it to pure alcohol then I'm good (i think)...

the understanding business from different viewpoints is gold. well, thanks for your input. I'll look at my essays differently now. :)

by the way, do you think it's a good idea to put down the specific modules that I'm interested in taking? or is that just too much pandering?
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rhyme is awesome that way. =)

Rhyme, I am just wondering how you were able to obtain such a wealth of knowledge about the app process. From what I read, you only applied last year and got in this year right? Did you do anything else other than:

- read all the good MBA App books (Montauk, Bodine, etc.)
- Infosessions, class visits, talk to alum/students, talk to adcom, etc...
- Web and book research
- Have people look over your essays (with your many revisions)?

I know people have said this before (about you being a pro at admissions consulting =P), but I just wanted to see if you did anything extra to obtain all this knowledge or if people who put their efforts and time into this process will learn most of the stuff too. =)

Thanks again!
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rhyme is awesome that way. =)

Rhyme, I am just wondering how you were able to obtain such a wealth of knowledge about the app process. From what I read, you only applied last year and got in this year right? Did you do anything else other than:

- read all the good MBA App books (Montauk, Bodine, etc.)
- Infosessions, class visits, talk to alum/students, talk to adcom, etc...
- Web and book research
- Have people look over your essays (with your many revisions)?

I know people have said this before (about you being a pro at admissions consulting =P), but I just wanted to see if you did anything extra to obtain all this knowledge or if people who put their efforts and time into this process will learn most of the stuff too. =)

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I did all that stuff.. I just did a lot of it - and I had alumni look at my essays... I talked to some admissions folk at schools too... Plus, I'd been involved at an undergraduate level at Northwestern for several years - so I'd had a bit of a leg up (though its pretty different at that level). The essay books from Bodine, Montauk were good, but irritating to read. Sure, I don't doubt the blind lesbian with no arms who saved the president of burundi during a mine collapse in southern africa while visiting on a stopover "save the whales" mission on her way to a new consulting gig in Singapore as Lead Director Of Thinking at Goldman Sachs got into Kellogg. Its the guy who got out of school, had a 3.0 gpa, maybe took an extra year, took a job at some small no-name firm or maybe some huge "hard to stand out" firm, sat there for three rather unremarkable years, got bored and jumped ship to another not so remarkable company in a not so remarkable role.... how THAT guy gets into Kellogg - thats the hard part. Basically, how someone NORMAL gets in.

That said - just starting to read other essays helped a lot. After maybe 100 or 200 essays, it starts to get pretty clear what sounds contrived or banal. You start to get a real sense for who is full of crap and who is writing from the heart - you become less tolerant of the "sob story" crap and you start to dislike the "I just dont test well" excuses. You find your eyes rolling. Stories start to blend and few truly stand out - I'd love to give examples, but I dont know if people would appreciate that -- but you do eventually develop a bit of a sixth sense. I will tell one story I'm proud of - I helped a guy come up with something a bit "different" he wanted to do while at school outside of his professional needs, and when he visited the adcom said to him "Oh are you the guy who wants to XXXXXX, right?" ... Thats the kind of memorable you want to strive for. The kind that the adcom remembers even after reading hundreds of these things. The guy was admitted and with a nice fat scholarship to boot - sadly, he didn't get into his top choice, and I still feel bad about that.

In short, you remember the ones that did something interesting, cracked an effective joke, talked about something you hadn't heard before. You don't remember the ones that told you some half-assed story or came up with pandering irritatingly unresearched reasons for attending school X. "Excellent faculty and international student body" makes me cringe. There are those with great work experience who just don't sell it well, there are those with great experience who never explain what they want to do, and there are those who just plumb dont answer the question asked.

That said, and I'm sure pelihu, aaudetat, etc would agree -- the amount of knowledge I have is no different than the amount they have. By the time you've invested a few hundred hours into this - and written a couple dozen drafts of essays - read the books and talked with schools and students and staff and alumni - practiced your interviews - drafted recommendations, redrafted everything fourteen more times, erased it all, started over, etc --- by the time that all comes to a close, you've got a pretty solid idea of what this game is all about.

This time next year, you'll look back and wonder "What the heck did I think was so hard about this?"
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Wow... I sure hope that next year this time (hopefully I'll be helping out all the other applicants then!) I will think that this was all not that hard. But right now, it's just daunting.

I see what you're saying about Mountak and Bodine's book. What *I* want to see is how does someone from an impacted demographic (whether Indian IT or Asian American Engineer) can set him/herself apart from others.

I'll definitely beg for you to read my essay once I get a few drafts out. I'm sure it'll be ripped apart, but that's good if it helps me get noticed and get into my schools. Man, this is going to be tough... but I am glad that there are helpful, friendly, and great people like you around on this forum! :-D
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I am glad that there are helpful, friendly, and great people like you around on this forum! :-D
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Yeah thanks to all the 2007 applicants who are still hanging around and helping the 2008 applicants.

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So do I ... So do I !! :-D
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I'll definitely beg for you to read my essay once I get a few drafts out. I'm sure it'll be ripped apart, but that's good if it helps me get noticed and get into my schools. Man, this is going to be tough... but I am glad that there are helpful, friendly, and great people like you around on this forum! :-D
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Just get em my way before school starts, cause I'm willing to bet that once that hits, the next time you'll see me is after the quarter ends in December.
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I used to think that community involvement was a differentiator, but the more essays I read ,apparently everyone went to ghana or burundi(rhyme's favorite) right after high school. I seriously think one day every IT applicant is going to talk about his social mission to some obscure jungle in the amazon and we will all be wondering how to differentiate oneself from the crowd :lol:
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I used to think that community involvement was a differentiator, but the more essays I read ,apparently everyone went to ghana or burundi(rhyme's favorite) right after high school. I seriously think one day every IT applicant is going to talk about his social mission to some obscure jungle in the amazon and we will all be wondering how to differentiate oneself from the crowd :lol:
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Maybe as a non Indian applicant I may differentiate myself by doing some pro bono software programming in Bangalore for the next few months... :lol:
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You got quite a profile adc. Have you checked with Paul in the Ask Accepted.com forum? My guess is before this application season is over there will a few wishing they had a similar profile :-D
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2008 Applicant Information - Put your Profile Here! 17 Jul 2007, 17:23
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I used to think that community involvement was a differentiator, but the more essays I read ,apparently everyone went to ghana or burundi(rhyme's favorite) right after high school. I seriously think one day every IT applicant is going to talk about his social mission to some obscure jungle in the amazon and we will all be wondering how to differentiate oneself from the crowd :lol:
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It seems to be getting somewhat silly, doesn't it?
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2008 Applicant Information - Put your Profile Here! 17 Jul 2007, 18:27
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a weak profile when compared to the rest of you guys...
You got quite a profile adc. Have you checked with Paul in the Ask Accepted.com forum? My guess is before this application season is over there will a few wishing they had a similar profile :-D
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man.. have you seen the ghana/burundi (let me jump aboard) volunteer work applicants? whoa.. with 750+ GMATs and 3.9 GPAs... international work experience... what is my profile compared to theirs? :P
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2008 Applicant Information - Put your Profile Here! 17 Jul 2007, 20:19
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Maybe as a non Indian applicant I may differentiate myself by doing some pro bono software programming in Bangalore for the next few months... :lol:
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ha ha ha! Hilarious! Yeah, the French dude from a top French university looking for some international experience (in software programming!) in Bangalore! I'm sure that'll set you apart :)
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