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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 05:49
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no its the current one
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 07:44
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I don't care much for US News's rankings, but what I find really funny is how they have 8 ties in the top 25. Most of the top 15 are so close together that the rankings are basically interchangeable, but somehow US News method is so scientific they can attribute ties?...
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I think USNWR assigns a tie if two schools are so close in ranking that they are effectively indistinguishable from each other. P&Q solves this by indexing the schools.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 07:59
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I think #1 last year was HBS, but Stanford took over this year.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 08:34
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I think #1 last year was HBS, but Stanford took over this year.
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Actually last year was a tie for #1 between Stanford and Harvard.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 08:36
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yea at the end of the day this is meaningless....especially in the duke/ross/uva area
i was gonna go to harvard but now stanford is number one so im going there....
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 09:13
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25% of this ranking is deans from all the polled schools raknings....thats a stupid thing to judge a school by and to give it the most weight...even stupider.

Man those GMAT scores in the top schools are getting ridiculous.

People need to take rankings for what they are: a "scratch the surface" analysis of b schools. It is a good guide to help you narrow down the level of school you should be applying, but so would an excel chart listing GMAT/GPA/WE of the top 100 in descending order.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 09:20
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25% of this ranking is deans from all the polled schools raknings....thats a stupid thing to judge a school by and to give it the most weight...even stupider.

Man those GMAT scores in the top schools are getting ridiculous.

People need to take rankings for what they are: a "scratch the surface" analysis of b schools. It is a good guide to help you narrow down the level of school you should be applying, but so would an excel chart listing GMAT/GPA/WE of the top 100 in descending order.
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Yeah those GMAT scores are pretty high. In the top 11, you don't have a single school with a GMAT average under 700. It used to be that 700 was the benchmark but those score keep creeping up. Does that speak to the increased competitiveness of the applicant pool? From GMAC, the distribution of scores still is relatively consistent so you're talking about the top 3-5% of GMAT test takers here who on average are filling up these schools.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 09:41
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^^^Imagine walking into a class where where everyone has a ~730 GMAT....WOW
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 09:53
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High GMAT scores probably point more towards the test being more predictable now, especially with all the study material and courses.

Also, taken from the bw forum, how schools are viewed by peer schools and by recruiters.

Ranking by Peer Assessment (i.e. "general consensus" or "popular perception of which schools are best overall"):

1. Harvard, Stanford, Wharton - 4.8
4. Booth, Kellogg, MIT - 4.7
7. Haas - 4.5
8. Columbia - 4.4
9. Duke, Ross - 4.3
11. Tuck - 4.2
12. Cornell, Stern, UCLA, Yale - 4.1
16. Darden - 4.0



Ranking by Recruiter Assessment (i.e. "student quality", or "selectivity", or "recruiters putting their money where their mouth is"):

1. Stanford - 4.6
2. Harvard, Kellogg, Wharton - 4.5
5. Booth, MIT - 4.4
7. Columbia - 4.3
8. Tuck - 4.2
9. Duke, Cornell, Darden, Haas - 4.1
13. Ross, Stern, Yale - 4.0
16. UCLA - 3.9
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 09:57
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Rankings are not always objective. Its all about perceptions, but I think US news ranking are definitely one of the better ones our there

Thanks for sharing this information
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 10:10
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High GMAT scores probably point more towards the test being more predictable now, especially with all the study material and courses.

Also, taken from the bw forum, how schools are viewed by peer schools and by recruiters.

Ranking by Peer Assessment (i.e. "general consensus" or "popular perception of which schools are best overall"):

1. Harvard, Stanford, Wharton - 4.8
4. Booth, Kellogg, MIT - 4.7
7. Haas - 4.5
8. Columbia - 4.4
9. Duke, Ross - 4.3
11. Tuck - 4.2
12. Cornell, Stern, UCLA, Yale - 4.1
16. Darden - 4.0



Ranking by Recruiter Assessment (i.e. "student quality", or "selectivity", or "recruiters putting their money where their mouth is"):

1. Stanford - 4.6
2. Harvard, Kellogg, Wharton - 4.5
5. Booth, MIT - 4.4
7. Columbia - 4.3
8. Tuck - 4.2
9. Duke, Cornell, Darden, Haas - 4.1
13. Ross, Stern, Yale - 4.0
16. UCLA - 3.9
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[citation needed]

Seriously, anyone know if this level of granularity is actually published?
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 10:14
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[citation needed]

Seriously, anyone know if this level of granularity is actually published?
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I was assuming it would come with the paid 20 dollar access to the US news?
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 10:21
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^^^ yea citation needed....I've seen something like that but couldn't find it quickly.

USNEWS doesn't release index numbers for schools so we cat tell how far apart a school is from another.

All hat comes with the paid subscription is more detailed stuff such as: employment numbers, gpa/gmat range, application numbers etc. Nothing you can ind on the schools webpage.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 10:33
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I really have no idea. Like I wrote, it's from the bw forum.
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Guy that posted on BW says it requires premium subscription, would be interesting to see, but I'm not sure $20 interesting.
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why is the % employed at graduation so low? the top 10 only has about 75% employed at graduation. that's a big gamble for ~100k tuition imo.
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why is the % employed at graduation so low? the top 10 only has about 75% employed at graduation. that's a big gamble for ~100k tuition imo.
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No not only 100k tuition, but also risking losing your good paying job for 2 years. So opportunity cost close to 300k or possibly more for some.....
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why is the % employed at graduation so low? the top 10 only has about 75% employed at graduation. that's a big gamble for ~100k tuition imo.

No not only 100k tuition, but also risking losing your good paying job for 2 years. So opportunity cost close to 300k or possibly more for some.....
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I wish I had an opportunity cost of 300k.... :roll:

but yes, the employment percentage is a bit lower than I expected, but I doubt it's going to deter anyone from giving it a try.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 15:02
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Anyone happen to know if the new usnews is available in book stores yet? I always prefer to leaf through the hardcopy version.
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2012 US News Ranking 15 Mar 2011, 15:07
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why is the % employed at graduation so low? the top 10 only has about 75% employed at graduation. that's a big gamble for ~100k tuition imo.
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Not necessary that the other 25% don't have job offers - they may not have picked one yet or are considering other alternatives - its hard to read in to the figure without knowing the details of how its calculated and who's excluded.
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