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# 740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;)

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28 Sep 2015, 13:25
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Congratulations Harley1980,
You did it !! .
All the best for your application.

Thank you manishkhare

By the way you quite strongly inspired me in RC

I usually solved the official RC and then I saw your results and always was amused how you do these RCs with such incredible speed
so I always tried to do second and third attempt and approach to your speed
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28 Sep 2015, 21:40
Thanks Harley1980,
I always consider RC as Critical Reasoning Questions. I read the passage and identify the conclusion and the approach taken by the author to justify the conclusion .
Then summarize the passage into a simpler form consisting of 4-5 lines.

I am inspired by you .My first experience with GMAT was not good. I am hopeful that second try will help me to achieve my objective.
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30 Sep 2015, 09:38
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you are truly inspirational, my d-day is in less than a month. i was completely lost until i came through your post. earnestly admire your hard work and persistency and I wish i had your capability to devote yourself to something. truly agree with your point on Bunuel he is like a magician and solves adverse problems with few simple actions. by any chance if you are reading this bunuel, please lend me your brain just for an hour or so.

anyway, thank you for your great debrief you gave a legitimate reason to believe in myself once more and to fully commit myself on preparation. thank you again and again
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06 Oct 2015, 13:35
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Hi Harley,
Your story is quite inspirational for a person like me.
I gave the exam today and was shattered after seeing my verbal score of 28. i have always scored above 35 in all of mocks, moreover in gmat prep the verbal score hovered around 40.
i am in self doubt at present and would appreciate if you advice me how to improve the verbal score to at least 38.
Pls suggest an online course if required!!
Waiting for your response because i want to give the exam again as soon as possible.

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09 Oct 2015, 00:00
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Hi Harley, I actually was surprised to see another Ukrainian who took the gmat and scored well. Congratulations!

I am Ukrainian too. I read this post of yours some time ago. It was helpful.

Today I had my second gmat attempt. I took the gmat the first time a month ago and scored not as good as I would want to - 650. But today, I got 720! I am pretty happy about it. Didn't expect such a score.

Cheers!
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09 Oct 2015, 13:15
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you are truly inspirational, my d-day is in less than a month. i was completely lost until i came through your post. earnestly admire your hard work and persistency and I wish i had your capability to devote yourself to something. truly agree with your point on Bunuel he is like a magician and solves adverse problems with few simple actions. by any chance if you are reading this bunuel, please lend me your brain just for an hour or so.

anyway, thank you for your great debrief you gave a legitimate reason to believe in myself once more and to fully commit myself on preparation. thank you again and again

Thanks for the kind words zoloo, I hope you will achieve your dream score
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09 Oct 2015, 13:24
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Hi Harley,
Your story is quite inspirational for a person like me.
I gave the exam today and was shattered after seeing my verbal score of 28. i have always scored above 35 in all of mocks, moreover in gmat prep the verbal score hovered around 40.
i am in self doubt at present and would appreciate if you advice me how to improve the verbal score to at least 38.
Pls suggest an online course if required!!
Waiting for your response because i want to give the exam again as soon as possible.

Hello kohli555.
I never thought about myself as about a verbal specialist and because of this I wrote nothing about a Verbal part.

Here are my pieces of advice but take them with a grain of salt.

I have a logical mind and Critical reasoning has a trap for me. I never can understand why I should looking for some conclusion or premise. I can find an answer without all these stupid rituals. And I was right a lot of times. But a lot of times is like 50%, not more. And a sure thing we need more for a decent score.

I am not sure whether you heard about EGmat CR approach.
Long time I completely did not understand their approach about CR. Prethinking answer? How can I pre-think answer? I am not a Nostradamus: all I should do is read answers and find a correct one.
But I always struggle with BoldFace questions and in one moment start to read articles and recommendations about this type of questions. And almost all recommendations says: find the conclusion and it relations to boldface parts. That was the Damascene moment. EGMAT says smart things but invents not so cool term for this. It is not "pre-thinking" (don't know why but I always think that this pre-thinking of the answer) it is "finding a link" between premise and conclusion. That is it. We should find how one phrase connected to the conclusion. If you find it you can easily find an answer because it will affect this link.

I do not know why but I never met any advice about vocabulary. I think this is really important part of RC and CR. One word can easily change the answer. Learning all words from RC passages is too extreme and very often GMAC include words that you do not need at all. Shist, big tits (no this is not that you think about this is the word from animals world, algae, aardvark and so on. You will meet such words in RC, but you can easily substitute it with X and solve the questions.
So for me I design three step process of solving RC passages:
1) Number of questions * 1:30 = Total time. Read and solve questions during the total time. If not have time - guess.
2) Read passage second time and make a second attempt on each question. Take as much time as want but you should give a correct answer.
3) Third attempt but with using a dictionary. Read unknow words and try to understand: is this word change something in your previous answer? If yes - you should remember this word.

After these steps, you can easily understand what is you problem: is it time issues or vocabulary issues.
For vocabulary issues, I recommend using Anki.

For time issues - only reading practice. But I never understand why people recommend reading some other sources. We preparing for GMAT so for reading practice we should use GMAT passages and during this practice we should answer the questions. No other practice can give your development in this type of questions. Don't waste your precious preparation time on other sources.

This is debatable claim, but this is only my unprofessional opinion so I hope you will forgive me my tone

For main idea questions, I met some interesting way of solution from Ron and I wrote the post about this way.
Try it - maybe it will help
how-to-solve-main-idea-questions-without-full-understanding-of-rc-203549.html#p1560699

http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/curiosity- ... n-success/

Also, for me works this strategy from BB:
"I prefer this strategy (it helped me to get from inconsistent 50% correct RC to about 80-90% and eventually in a 96th percentile in verbal). It is outlined in various amount of details in Kaplan, PowerScore, and MGMAT books.

The idea is fairly straightforward - while critically reading the passage, you build a mental map, stopping to paraphrase after each paragraph and at the end to quickly summarize the passage. The strategy also involves critically reading - meaning constantly asking why a certain sentence/phrase is there, how they add to the development, and change the tone. It is important to master each of these elements before actually trying to put the entire strategy together. At first it does feel awkward - almost like wearing an armor suit that is clunky and seems useless - useless until GMAT shoots an arrow at you that is. Some of my challenges were questions such as - why do I need to stop (waste valuable time) and paraphrase the passage? (that answer comes in gradually). Also, how to actually stay interested and keep my thoughts from wandering around as I read? And finally - how to read critically? It took a while to learn to pick every word and notice subtle differences in tone (words such as, however, but, still, and examples help reveal author's true intention). I trusted the strategy and strangely enough it worked. I could see improvement within just a week. My performance became a lot more consistent and the strategy was becoming a lot more natural. I was also starting to catch little traps planted in the text and noticing tone a lot more than before."

About SC. All my last preparation month I read explanations of RON on manhattanprep.com. Ron is like Bunuel in Verbal
Also, I really like his Thursdays with Ron on SC topic.

About OG and OVR questions. I did them all too, but I realized that many of answers I just remember or guess.
This is a wrong strategy for use OG questions.
You should see every mistake in question. It will be perfect if you will write all mistakes and after this compare your answer with OG explanations.
The same tactic with GMATPrep questions - find the explanation on Manhattan prep forum and read all comments - there is a lot of useful information.
Sometimes it is boring because they have from 1 to 6 pages of explanations for each question but it is worth it.

But I will be honest SC is my weakest topic in GMAT so take this piece of advice with even more then with a grain of salt

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09 Oct 2015, 13:26
alexibiz wrote:
Hi Harley, I actually was surprised to see another Ukrainian who took the gmat and scored well. Congratulations!

I am Ukrainian too. I read this post of yours some time ago. It was helpful.

Today I had my second gmat attempt. I took the gmat the first time a month ago and scored not as good as I would want to - 650. But today, I got 720! I am pretty happy about it. Didn't expect such a score.

Cheers!

Hello alexibiz

My congratulations: this is the really cool result. So you will apply to some great schools I think
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09 Oct 2015, 23:31
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kohli555,
RC is probably the most neglected section in Verbal. You can chalk out a strategy for RC and practice. RC takes time but once you have build the competency you can score well .

1. RC is an extension of CR .Many RC questions are about inference and conclusion.
2. Whenever you are reading a passage ,summarize each paragraph . So for example a passage consisting of 3 paragraphs of 8 lines each should be reduced to a summary of 10-12 lines .
4. If the passage is dense or contains technical terms replace the terms with variables such as x,y .It will make for a easier read. Never try to understand the meaning of each and every term of a technical passage.
GMAT expects you to answer questions based on the information based in passage.You do not need technical expertise to answer the questions
5. Finally ,if the answer choices appear abstract try to eliminate the wrong ones .

All the best for the test .
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12 Oct 2015, 02:47
Hi Harley,

I am sure your valuable experience and words will be very useful for me.
At last, could you please advice if Egmat online course is better or the aristotle SC grail book to improve the accuracy for SC.
I was considering to subscribe for Egmat online course because i have heard its really helpful to improve the SC accuracy.

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12 Oct 2015, 04:48
kohli555 wrote:
Hi Harley,

I am sure your valuable experience and words will be very useful for me.
At last, could you please advice if Egmat online course is better or the aristotle SC grail book to improve the accuracy for SC.
I was considering to subscribe for Egmat online course because i have heard its really helpful to improve the SC accuracy.

Hello kohli555.

I took EGmat on-demand course and I really liked it (SC part)
CR was quite good, but I think that CR bible is much better.
RC was useless, but IMHO this is a usual situation for all courses.

Aristotle SC book is not bad, but I think that it is insufficient for a 700+ result.
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31 May 2016, 05:51
Congrats Harley1980 for a great score. Your debrief is a great motivation for the first timers. Thanks for that!
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07 Jul 2016, 01:47
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11. Forget about point 8. Motivation sucks! All you need is Discipline
Also make a day plan in which put some everyday tasks such as
A) read 10 pages of Manhattan
B) make 10 SC
C) make 10 DS
and just check it day by day in excel: green cells if you make it and red if you don’t. The global picture with a lot of red cells will shame you and green picture will motivate you. Don't use reminders: you should see global picture of your discipline. But be realistic. Make a small plan but from littel tasks but do it every day: this is a way to create new habit.
Discipline is really important part. You need a motivation, but discipline is more important. Do not way for some inspiration: just sit and start to solve tasks and motivation will come to you

i like this point of yours.
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20 Oct 2018, 22:44
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Congratulations Sergei. I know I am late (by a couple of years lol), but I am just too scared and nervous at the moment. Tomorrow's my 1st attempt. And I'm not too confident. I've got pathetic GMAT prep (1-6) scores. Your story is really motivating. Will probably utilize it the fullest capability for my next attempt.

A small request though, could you please share your error log? I wanna know how you maintained it throughout. Seems like a bit of a tiring task (or maybe I am imagining it wrong) to keep making the necessary notes and observations for every single question, I'd appreciate some insight.

Thanks!
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25 Oct 2018, 09:43
Amazing post! Thanks a lot for sharing such an interesting and detailed story.

Something you said is very important for people like us, stories of 4 weeks and 700+ are not useful when you are struggling. They will make you feel worse.

We need to remember that we are not alone in this struggle, most of the people struggle and lots of people abandon before getting the dream score.

I am still struggling to get my score but I am 100% sure that if I don't give up I will get it.
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