Written 8/25: Warning: As you can probably tell from this long thread I tend to say very little with many words, so read at your own risk. If you're cramming for the GMATs then it's more valuable to read the shorter debriefs My “quest” is over, and luckily I don't plan on engaging in another GMAT quest ever again. I received a Q49, V44 for a 760 and I'm not too bummed out about not hitting 800 .Thanks to everyone at gmatclub for their continuing support, the mods and creators of gmatclub tests, and special thanks to Avenusaur and gmanjesh for their valuable tips and sanity checks. I took my gmat this morning. I'll start with the test day debrief and follow with my study recommendations. I read a lot of debriefs from other people so I was able to get a lot of tips before test day. I know some people have trouble sleeping the night before or wake up really early on test date; luckily for me I slept like a baby and felt really good the morning of the test. I had planned on getting to the test center an hour earlier and grab brunch since my test was scheduled for noon. I ended up getting there there two hours early. I took the extra time to buy 2 bottles of 5-hour energy, 2 bananas, and water. At the diner, it only took me 15 minutes to eat. I had prepared for test very intensely for ~5 weeks, averaging about 6-8 hours a day. However, this past week I didn't really study much and the day before the test I hardly studied anything at all. I felt a bit rusty so I was determined to do some practice OG problems at the cafe. I think this is a fairly good way of getting your brain in gmat-mode prior to taking the test. After about 15 minutes though I got tired and went to the test center 1.5 hours early because I had read that people are often allowed to take tests early. At the test center (16th floor of Herald Square- NY) I was sort of annoyed that there was construction going on. The lady was very nice but unfortunately I could only start the test at 11:30, so I had to sit around and wait for an extra hour. The test center itself was going under construction and thus there were no bathrooms on the floor! What's worse is one had to take an elevator to either the 15th or 17th floor to use the restroom. There was staircase that said “Staircase under construction, only enter under emergencies.” I decided that having 8 minutes to wait for an elevators and use the bathroom constituted an emergency so I risked my life and used the staircase (which was clearly under construction but fine). During the wait room I also had to use the bathroom twice for some reason. I was a bit embarrassed that people would think I had an overactive bladder. Perhaps the most important tip I received came from the admin. As you all know, 8 minutes is a short time for a break. The admin told me to raise my hand and call the admin before clicking YES for the break. The reason for this is because sometimes it takes a while for the admin to come, and if he's standing there while you press YES you get the full 8 minutes. This came in handy because after the quant section I had a couple of minutes left and raised my hand for my break. Since I was in the corner it took him literally two minutes to come over. If I had opted to take the break and clicked yes I would have been screwed ¼ of my time. Definitely try to remember this during your test. The center came with earplugs and huge headphones to block out noise, which I used during the test. I started the AWA and felt that they were a lot more difficult than I had expected. I sort of struggled through the second one (take a side) because the prompt was so unclear but I wrote it anyway. I figure I should at least receive a 5.5 since I'm a native speaker and wasn't too worried. During the 8 minute break I ran up one floor and used the bathroom, ate a banana and swigged half a bottle of my 5 hour energy. I'm probably used up only 5 minutes of my break but I didn't care and wanted to start. I made sure to follow MGMAT's timing strategy of checking the problem number every 15 minutes. I think this strategy is much better than looking at the problem and then figuring out how much time is left. MGMAT recommends that when you have 60 minutes left, you should be on Q7 or V8, 45 minutes left, Q14 or V16, 30 minutes left, Q(14+7) or V(16+8)...etc. I think this strategy is optimal because it frames your mindset. It's not that you are running out of time, you just have more questions to do. If you look at the question number and then try to determine how much time you have left, you may feel under pressure because of the clock ticking down. Small tricks such as (not like ) this were helpful to me. I ran into quant troubles very early (at #5 and #6) but I had expected this since many people wrote this in their debriefs. Quant was a bit weird in that the questions were either really easy or really hard with few hard manageable questions. I only received 1 combinatorics/probability question that was so easy I had to do it three times to make sure there wasn't a trick question involved. During the latter part of the test I received some brutal geometry questions that involved similar trapezoids (wth?) and regular octagons. I sort of had time management issues in that somehow I had 20 minutes left with 6 questions to go but then 8 questions left with 4 to go, after those two problems. I ended up fairly satisfied with quant and expecting a Q50. I ate my second banana and took my second swig of 5-hour energy. I had only planned on drinking half a bottle each break but since I had brought two bottles, I think I took the full bottle and downed the entire thing. After I used the bathroom I began to feel really jittery. Definitely not a good thing. The verbal questions were fairly straightforward. I ran into a couple difficult sentence corrections at the beginning and I extremely long question (comparable to LSAT) but most of the questions were okay. The last 3 verbal questions were CR and very difficult; I spent my last 12 questions trying to figure them out and I wasn't sure whether I got them. Also, during the section I received absolutely NO bold-faced questions. I had heard rumors that those questions were indicators of doing well so I was a bit scared that I screwed up verbal badly. I ended up finishing with about 3 minutes left. After the test was done I answered all the boring personal questions and before I clicked Report Score prayed that I would receive a 750+. I clicked and the screen showed a Q49 (87%) V44 (97%) - 760 (99%). A few fist pumps later I turned my head and saw the administrators smiling at me (didn't know they were watching). I received a couple of congratulations and exited the test center. After I left the test center I was a tiny bit disappointed by my Q49 (Avenusaur after all received a Q50 V44 which I hoped to match =) since I had successive Q51s, but I quickly shrugged that off since, well, a 760 definitely won't preclude me from any schools. Whew! Congrats on reading through this. On to my study strategy... Study Strategy I am a recent college grad and had a couple of months before I started work. I figured 3 months would be sufficient time to prepare. I started my log on 5/26 but somehow procrastinated for 2 full months, leaving me about 6 weeks to study. I was so angry that I let that happen that I determined to dedicate all my time to the GMAT. For the next 5 weeks I studied about ~6-8 hours every day. The last few days before the test I probably studied about 3-4 hours a day. I didn't study at all the day before. What works for me might not work for you, so take everything with a grain of salt. With that said, I don't think I could have studied for more than 5 weeks with that intensity anyway, so I was pretty happy with the study timeframe. I purchased the complete MGMAT books + OG guides on craigslist for $40, and bought the MGMAT online resources for $40. I also used several LSAT books, gmatclub tests...etc. Sentence Correction Materials Used : MGMAT SC- I went through this twice and really got the hang of it the second time. Brutal SC Doc- The first time I went through these I got really frustrated. I kept an error log and redid them a week before the test day and got most of them correct. Gmat-Sucecss Scs- Available online. They were very helpful but contain a lot of errors. They are good practice but make sure to google your answers to double check. GMATPrep SC question doc- From sterny's debrief, I found these a week before the test. I went through them in two days and I believe they helped tremendously. In my opinion, MGMAT SC is necessary to get a good quant score but definitely not sufficient. Once you get the basics, you need the GMATPrep SC doc to learn about the subtleties in the choices. Often times they'll be changes in meaning, ellipses, complex parallelisms- things that MGMAT SC don't cover. Critical Reasoning Materials used: Powerscore LSAT Logical Reasoning Bible- My friend recently took the LSAT and let me borrow his LSAT LR book. Although I had the MGMAT CR book I didn't think it would sufficient. I also didn't want to spend money on the Powersccore GMAT CR Book. I must say that this guide was ESSENTIAL (I'd bet that the powerscore GMAT CR book is equally good). It breaks down every single type of question and gives you strategies that make every question seem clear. For example, the assumption negation technique tells you that you can double check your answers simply by negating the answer choice and seeing if that weakens the question. The evaluate the argument technique tells you that when faced with answer choices, assume it is true then assume it is false. If one strengthens the argument and the other weakens it, your answer choice is correct. Kaplan LSAT Mastery- I had to buy this book from Amazon because it's only available for Kaplan students who register for a full LSAT course. Basically it is a list of almost all the official LSAT questions broken down by type. After reading the Assumption section in the Powerscore LSAT bible, I would do the 100 or so Assumption questions in the LSAT Mastery bible. After reading strengthen/weaken, I would specifically target those questions. Because all the questions are specific and from an official source (LSAT), I thought this book was also invaluable. Reading Comprehension MGMAT RC Guide- I went through this first and really liked it. It definitely helped taking notes and identifying the structures. I started RC averaging about 3 wrong but after getting through the guide, I was still getting 1-2 wrong per section. Powerscore LSAT RC Guide- I went through this after and thought it was helpful but nothing groundbreaking. A lot of emphasis was put on diagramming (which of course is essential for the LSAT) but it was difficult to apply to the GMAT. However, I did learn 1 important tip- when doing a history passage or one with a lot of dates, draw a timeline of the events. There, I just saved you $60. Kaplan LSAT Mastery- I had trouble with hard science passages and did all the LSAT science passages (organized in the book). I also did all the social science passages. Again, I really liked this book and would advise any serious student to get it (though it may be difficult to find). Random LSAT Prep Tests- I did like 5 or 6 LSAT sections (each contained 27 questions/4 passages in 35 minutes). I don't think these were necessary but definitely helped. The most important part of RC is just to practice. I used to think it was hard to improve- you either get it or you don't- but honestly after a lot of repetition you learn to read things very carefully. Eventually I just realized that when doing local questions, I had to read word-by-word or else I would miss the information necessary to answer the question. After I realized I simply wasn't reading carefully enough, my RC scores shot up. Quant MGMAT guides- I read all the MGMAT guides and went through them. Number Properties was very helpful, as was Geometry. I think they were essential in improving. GMATClub tests- I got them for free after 200+ posts, which I managed to cram in several days (I'm a cheapo so I had registered for gmatclub 6 months beforehand to satisfy the 90-day requirement =P ). They really helped me concentrate on the details and I thought they were probably my best practice resource. A lot of info is given so I won't go too much in-depth. However, I felt that after doing the first 9 or so I got the hang of them. The following were my practice scores https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6272/resultsu.jpg As you can see, not the prettiest of scores. I thought the specific-question types were very helpful as well. Sackmann Extreme Challenge & Data Sufficiency Sets- I thought they were a bit pricey at $25 per set, but if you get the Total Gmat Math (which I didn't) + Sets I think the price is reasonable. I thought the DS set was great in helping my DS. The Challenge Set emphasized way too much on probability and combinatorics (which were barely represented on my GMAT). That pretty much completes my materials. I also used OG11, Official Verbal Review, and Official Quant Review. Honestly I only completed the questions that MGMAT required, so I went over a lot of the sentence corrections in the guide. Since I didn't use MGMAT for CR, I didn't even do 1 official CR question (LSAT questions were more than sufficient). I think the OG books are helpful but slightly overrated. They tend to be too easy for those looking for 750+ and one can definitely get by without them. Aside from these sources, I also did a lot of verbal and quant questions in gmatclub forums. The verbal questions helped a lot and the quant questions were pretty challenging. Perhaps the biggest resource I haven't focused on is Google. For all the official SC and most of the official CR questions, you can paste the first few words in quotes and you'll be presented links to explanations. By far the most helpful responses were Ron and Stacey's on the mgmat forums. For the GMATPrep SC document, I learned a LOT from their posts. Don't expect to get your questions answered if you post them on the forum however because the instructors generally only answer questions from course students, and even then they don't get answered in a timely manner. I read through Chineseburned and OG11's AWA guides and did one full CAT (MGMAT #6) with AWA. I used MGMAT and GMATPrep CATs. They're pretty self-explanatory. 5/26 - 690 - Q44 V39 - MGMAT1 (didn't really study until 7/15 after this ) 7/17 - ??? - Q48 V?? - MGMAT2 7/25 - 680- Q47 V36 - MGMAT3 8/1 - 720 - Q49 V39 - GMATPrep1 8/7 - 760 - Q50 V42 - GMATPrep 2, closest approximation 8/12- 740 - Q50 V41- MGMAT4 8/13 - 720- Q48 V40 - MGMAT5 8/17 - 770- Q49 V46- GMATPrep1 Retake 8/19 - 780- Q51 V45- MGMAT6 8/21 - 780- Q51 V46- GMATPrep2 Retake 8/25 - 760- Q49 V44- Official GMAT Whew! I think that about covers it. I definitely typed more than I wanted to but hopefully you found some of this information helpful. I found that keeping a diary kept me motivated and focused for much of my preparations and I encourage you to start one if you need support. Ask away if you have any questions and good luck on your test! =========================================================================================== Hey all, I am a recent college grad and am planning on taking the GMAT during the summer before work starts. My tentative test date is July 31, which is 2 months away. The only roadblocks are that I will be away for an entire week in a couple of weeks and then another 2 weeks early July (all vacation plans), so I won't have a good 3 weeks to study. However, that still leaves me a good 5 weeks to prepare, and during these weeks I plan on studying every day! I will take my first diagnostic in a couple of hours. I'm pretty cocky about my intelligence so I imagine scoring 750+ on the final test is manageable as long as I put in the work. Of course, my real goal is 800, and although I probably won't achieve it, I don't rule it out. I was mathematics minor in college, so I don't imagine the quant section being too much of a problem. Verbal on the other hand will be a monster... I'm a poor college grad at the moment, but I looked on Craigslist several weeks ago and was able to get all 8 Manhattan GMAT books + 3 official GMAT guides for $40, in like new condition. To improve my reading comprehension, I will try to read The Economist every day for 1 hour. Since I purchased the MGMAT texts second hand (they were part of a course), I don't have any access to the CATs, so currently I don't have any sample tests. I plan on purchasing the 8 MGMAT CAT tests as they seem like a good deal. I'll definitely be using gmatclub for help and might purchase the gmatclub tests (though there seems to be fewer verbal sections, which is what I want to focus on). Anyway, I'm mainly using this thread as a log to keep me motivated. Any tips + suggestions will be useful. I'll try to come up with a nice schedule and stick to it. And so the quest begins... Summary of CATs taken: 5/26 - 690 - Q44 V39 - MGMAT1 (didn't study until 7/15 after this ) 7/17 - ??? - Q48 V?? - MGMAT2 7/25 - 680- Q47 V36 - MGMAT3 8/1 - 720 - Q49 V39 - GMATPrep1 8/7 - 760 - Q50 V42 - GMATPrep 2 8/12- 740 - Q50 V41- MGMAT4 8/13 - 720- Q48 V40 - MGMAT5 8/17 - 770- Q49 V46- GMATPrep1 Retake 8/19 - 780- Q51 V45- MGMAT6 8/21 - 780- Q51 V46- GMATPrep2 Retake Summary of gmatclub tests Date Test Correct Total % Correct Mean time Percentile 7/18 m01 31 37 84% 83.4548 sec 84% 7/19 m02 33 37 89% 93.8058 sec 90% 7/20 m03 30 37 81% 111.1665 sec 80% (mean time getting longer... errr burnout haha) 7/21 m04 33 37 89% 107.7445 sec 91% 7/22 m05 29 36 81% 122.0276 sec 82% (thought this one was pretty challenging) 7/23 m06 24 33 73% 136.3358 sec 53% (blah... didn't finish) 7/27 m07 28 37 76% 121.3407 sec 66% 7/29 m08 20 34 59% 124.5703 sec 39% 7/30 m09 24 37 65% 95.5053 sec 34% Test Date: 8/25

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Bipolarbear,

I haven't really followed this thread, but reading a few of your posts it seems to me you have put in a lot of hard work.

Since I haven't taken the test yet, I can't really comment on how to do it. But will say, based on past experiences, just go and enjoy the ride. Do not worry about what your score might be, whether it's a 500, 600 or 700. You know, you are good enough for 750+, and you did the best you could during the preparation. So, now go and take your best shot, and let it be.

PS. I like to run, and would never hesitate to go for a run if body permits it. However, initially when I started running, going anything over 2 or 3 miles felt like 'work'. But now, every yard, every mile I run, I enjoy every moment of it. So my advice, will be just enjoy the ride...don't worry too much about the result.

Good luck, and my best wishes!

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Haha, thanks for the wishes and advice! =)

Anyway, my original plan was to take my final fresh CAT (MGMAT #6) today and GmatPrep #2 on Friday before my D-Day on Tuesday. I tried to simulate the experience today as much as possible. My test next week is scheduled for noon. I didn't want to wake up at 10:00am as I would on test day but chose to wake up at 8:00am to get in a couple of hours in the morning. I guess it's not an exact simulation oh well.

I decided that this time I would use a foreign desktop computer instead of my laptop with which I usually take my CATs. I went to the store in the morning to buy some performance enhancing drugs (i.e. 5 hour energy) in accordance with GMAC's substance abuse policy and a banana, then headed to my alma mater's library computer lab to sit in for the exam. I approached the security guard at the desk and asked him what room the GMATs were being given and he gave me a quizzical look (okay I didn't really ask him, but I should have :lol:

). Got all pumped and sat down, opened up the MGMAT site, and THE SITE WAS DOWN!! Gah... I was so pissed and just studied notes for the next 30 minutes. Luckily the site came back up soon...

I figured it'd be good to finally do an AWA to get ready for the 4-hour nightmare. I thought they went fairly well... I actually ran out of time mid-sentence editing the second one resulting in a typo (i think more entertainment became mententertainment or something), but whatever. If you're really bored and want to comment on them they're here mgmat-cat-awa-82716.html#p620026 . I figure being a native speaker I should at least get a 5.5...

After the 1 hour AWA I gave myself 8 minutes, went to the bathroom, and took 1/2 my bottle of (mental) steroids. I had been reviewing my gmatclub and mgmat quant questions pretty intensely the past couple of days and I promised myself that I would REALLY concentrate on every question. Whereas before I would just skip over and guess on an MGMAT question that seemed too difficult (reasoning that it would take too much time), this time I really tried to solve every single one and double checked. I kept a good pace using MGMAT's 15-minute interval strategy and ended up finishing with a couple of minutes left. I felt very confident as I only had to guess on 2 questions, 1 of which was an area of weakness (difficult prob. question, still need to review).

I took a look at the timer as I left the computer and forced myself to use the bathroom again, eat a banana (even though I wasn't hungry), and finished my 5-hour energy bottle. I was actually pretty excited at this point since I knew I did really well on quant and was looking forward to a high practice test score (lol... yes only a practice test score but whatever).

I had gone through a lot of sterny's gmatprep sc document so I was very confident with SCs. I know it's probably not the best idea to review hardcore SCs this late in the game but I figure they're an official source and I simply had to review them. Anyway, I got a couple of ridiculously difficult CRs halfway through and an RC with answer choices that I felt were identical. I also had a bit of trouble keeping time but luckily my last 6 or so questions were all SCs and I finished with like 20 seconds left...

Clicked on the score praying for a 750+ and was ecstatic when i saw Q51 V45 780! Woot. Pretty excited about this practice score since it was a fresh set and it was the first time I had hit Q51 (and I was complaining about never hitting 51 yesterday!). At the very least this gives me confidence that I'm capable of getting a 51.

Anyway, I figure I'll take the next couple of hours off and start reviewing later this evening. I'm on a silly high since I'm pretty happy with my result but it's only a practice test...

Random comment- Yesterday night I had a dream I got a 740 on my gmat... I don't know why but I was posting my debrief on gmatclub but couldn't damn remember my breakdown. It was driving me absolutely crazy... then I woke up. Yikes I'm going crazy :-D

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wow ... A 780 :shock:

.. must have boosted your confidence real high

... way to go buddy .. u will surely do well .. 5 more days ... waiting to hear how ur GMATPrep would go

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That's a really good score for an MGMAT CAT. Good job!

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wow!

780's awesome, man!

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Dude, You are going to nail it man! Just calm down.

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go get 'em bear.

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I reviewed my MGMAT CAT #6 and found out that a good majority of the questions were in the 600-700 level range, whereas 700-800 questions were much rarer. I thought that was strange because in the early tests I had gotten almost 100% 700-800 questions. I googled this and found out that MGMAT's CAT question base lacks a sufficient number of 700-800 level questions for those people who use them up during early CATs. So, the 780 is definitely inflated but whatever... I try to not let that bother me.

I took my final CAT today in gmatprep - gmatprep #2 retake. Opted to forgo the AWA session to save an hour of time. I've only practiced the AWA once, but I really don't think the stamina effect of that 1 hour will hurt me too much. Quant went pretty well and I made sure to be extremely careful on those DS questions. Ended up getting 2 wrong for a Q51. I got a repeat RC passage in Verbal which was slightly annoying but I ended up getting the same RC question wrong as I had last time. I also got 1 SC and 1 CR wrong, so a total of -3 for a V46. End result is a Q51 V46 for a 780, which is a good way to end my practice CATs.

I realized that a good amount of luck is involved in quant. Today I got a Q51 and none of the questions were particularly challenging. When I did gmatprep #1 I received 2 DS questions which even given 10 minutes each I doubt I could come up with the correct solution. I hope next Tuesday the questions are easy (please please...). Also, I really need to stop going over random DS questions on this forum. Yesterday I went through a bit of a panic attack when I got 3 DS questions from the gmatclub subforum wrong n a row. Those DS questions are friggin' tough and definitely don't help boost confidence.

I figure I'll keep reviewing stuff for the next two days. I still need to go over some CATs later today and still have some left-over gmatclub errors. I haven't started reviewing my gmatsuccess SCs. I was able to review my Sackmann errors yesterday and was very comfortable today seeing similar questions in gmatprep. Sackmann definitely did a good job of modeling question types as sometimes the official question is exactly the same with different numbers. Seeing similar questions definitely gives a huge confidence boost... no wonder Scoretop was so popular.

Study some more the next couple of days and keep reviewing mistakes until Sunday night. Monday the most I'll be doing is going over a couple of questions, and even then I'll limit my total time to less than 30 minutes. T-3 full days and hopefully after that I'll never have to look at another DS question again :-D

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ur on a roll dude ... double 780 is too good

... did you dream about 740 again ?

or was it Megan Fox running around in your dream with DS questions written all over her body ? or was is it the 5 hour energy drink ? .. what is the secret man ? ...

...

Yes many questions on GMAT forums are demotivating for me too, I asked my ex-roomie who got a q51 and 740 in total, he strictly advised me not to get demotivated by GMAT forum questions as many of them post questions which are irrelevant or are of Indian Common Aptitude Test standards which is much much tougher than GMAT.

Anyways all the best for the weekend prep.

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Megan Fox... mmm... yum

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Originally posted by bipolarbear on 23 Aug 2009, 14:30.
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Last couple of days have been hectic. Didn't really get too much studying done because of random stuff that keeps happening in my life... sigh. I guess in a way that's good since it kept my mind off gmat for a couple of days. I studied for like hour today but got really bored. I think I'm ready for this test and want to get it over with.

Tomorrow I'll just be chilling. Don't think I could study any more even if I really wanted to.

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Good luck man!

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All the best dude ...

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Good luck!

Waiting for your debrief :-D

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Wish you a perfect score .

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Wish you good luck !!!

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Waiting to see your actual score..... Good luck with your exam.

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Good luck with your exam!

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Good luck buddy..

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