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MartyMurray KarishmaB How about A,D as the choice. If fine impose occurs, then council must have mediated the dispute because mediating the dispute is the first step made by council.
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All Data Insight question: TPA [ Official Guide DI Review 2023-24] 
 village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care to avoid disturbing their neighbors with noise. The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute.
Select for 1 and for 2 two different events such that the guidelines most clearly indicate that if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred. Make only two selections, one in each column.­

 

Given: The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute.
"if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred."
So if the council considers a formal written noise complaint, then "the council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" will occur or has already occured (depending on where the council is in its consideration process)
ANSWER: 2nd and 4th sentences
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How about A,D as the choice.

I agree that 1st and 4th sentences sound reasonable too. There were two reasons I didn't like that as much as the answer.
1. It doesn't fit perfectly in what is given:
So if "the council imposes a fine for noise violation," then "the council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" will occur or has already occured.
The highlighted doesn't work here. I am not sure if what we choose must work with both "will occur" and "has already occured" or if it can work with either. Hence, the answer given above works in all cases. 
2. Given: "But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if ..."
The council may consider a complaint if there have been formal complaints from multiple residents. Will it offer to mediate in that case too? Most likely yes but I am a bit uncomfortable with it. The last sentence could be talking about individual complaints, I am not sure. I have a better, clear answer answer so might as well pick that. ­

Check out this video to know how to handle conditional statements such as "unless X, Y": https://youtu.be/BW8Ijrhjjq8
 

Originally posted by KarishmaB on 09 Mar 2024, 03:28.
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chetan2u wrote:
­ village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care to avoid disturbing their neighbors with noise. The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute.
Select for 1 and for 2 two different events such that the guidelines most clearly indicate that if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred. Make only two selections, one in each column.­
 

Given: The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute.
"if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred."
So if the council considers a formal written noise complaint, then "the council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" will occur or has already occured (depending on where the council is in its consideration process)
ANSWER: 2nd and 4th sentences
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How about A,D as the choice.

I agree that 1st and 4th sentences sound reasonable too. There were two reasons I didn't like that as much as the answer.
1. It doesn't fit perfectly in what is given:
So if "the council imposes a fine for noise violation," then "the council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" will occur or has already occured.
The highlighted doesn't work here. I am not sure if what we choose must work with both "will occur" and "has already occured" or if it can work with either. Hence, the answer given above works in all cases. 
2. Given: "But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if ..."
The council may consider a complaint if there have been formal complaints from multiple residents. Will it offer to mediate in that case too? Most likely yes but I am a bit uncomfortable with it. The last sentence could be talking about individual complaints, I am not sure. I have a better, clear answer answer so might as well pick that. ­

Thank you KarishmaB , the explanation helped me (especially the point one) 
The option 2 needs to satisfy both. (will occur or has already occurred) 
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MartyMurray KarishmaB How about A,D as the choice. If fine impose occurs, then council must have mediated the dispute because mediating the dispute is the first step made by council.

­Just because the "council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints.", doesn't mean that it is the only way that the council imposes fines for noise violations. Perhaps it makes it's independent inquiries and imposes fines for noise violation without any complaints.
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" But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. "


This implies that if there are multiple complaints, then the council may (or may not) consider a complaint even if individuals have not attempted direct resolution with violator or with landlord. Multiple complaints does not guarantee a consideration right?

Right? MartyMurray KarishmaB avigutman
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manasp35 wrote:
MartyMurray KarishmaB How about A,D as the choice. If fine impose occurs, then council must have mediated the dispute because mediating the dispute is the first step made by council.

­Just because the "council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints.", doesn't mean that it is the only way that the council imposes fines for noise violations. Perhaps it makes it's independent inquiries and imposes fines for noise violation without any complaints.

­Makes complete sense, thank you !!
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" But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. "

This implies that if there are multiple complaints, then the council may (or may not) consider a complaint even if individuals have not attempted direct resolution with violator or with landlord. Multiple complaints does not guarantee a consideration right?

 

­Yes, they may or may not consider the complaint even if there are multiple complaints. ­

Originally posted by manasp35 on 11 Mar 2024, 05:35.
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" But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. "

 
Quote:
This implies that if there are multiple complaints, then the council may (or may not) consider a complaint even if individuals have not attempted direct resolution with violator or with landlord. Multiple complaints does not guarantee a consideration right?

Right? MartyMurray KarishmaB avigutman

 Yes, "multiple complaints" does not guarantee a consideration. "Unless" gives you a necessary condition, not sufficient. 


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manasp35 wrote:
MartyMurray KarishmaB How about A,D as the choice. If fine impose occurs, then council must have mediated the dispute because mediating the dispute is the first step made by council.

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­Just because the "council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints.", doesn't mean that it is the only way that the council imposes fines for noise violations. Perhaps it makes it's independent inquiries and imposes fines for noise violation without any complaints.

Good point! So the takeaway from here would be to read the question stem in terms of formal logic.


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" But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. "

Quote:
This implies that if there are multiple complaints, then the council may (or may not) consider a complaint even if individuals have not attempted direct resolution with violator or with landlord. Multiple complaints does not guarantee a consideration right?

Right? MartyMurray KarishmaB avigutman

 Yes, "multiple complaints" does not guarantee a consideration. "Unless" gives you a necessary condition, not sufficient. 


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­Thank you Karishma! :)
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Hi KarishmaB GMATGuruNY avigutman
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 But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.

Can i write guidelines structure as below in terms of logical structure? It seems wrong but i am not sure why? How do we diagram the structure?

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if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord ---> the council will not consider a complaint ---> UNLESS there have been formal complaints from multiple residents
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Also, why 1-A, 2-D aren't the apt options? There have been several discussions in previous posters, but i couldn't understand them.­ Please help.

If council imposes a fine for noise violation, then The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise is quite in line with the guideline: ''if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred''­
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 Also, why 1-A, 2-D aren't the apt options? There have been several discussions in previous posters, but i couldn't understand them.­ Please help.

If council imposes a fine for noise violation, then The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise is quite in line with the guideline: ''if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred''­

­We are given : The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. 
Meaning: 
after a formal complaint is made -----> the council may impose fines

We are also given : The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute.

Meaning:
first action after a formal complaint is made -----> council offer to mediate the dispute

Combining both

after a formal complaint is made -----> council offer to mediate the dispute --------> the council may impose fines

Can we be sure 100% ,  if the council imposes fines then council offer to mediate the dispute ?

There could be other path through which council may impose fines. For instance, the council investigated on its own without any formal complaints. 

council investigated -------->  the council imposes fines


If the council imposes fine, we can't guarantee that the council must have offered to mediate.  
 
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  But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.

Can i write guidelines structure as below in terms of logical structure? It seems wrong but i am not sure why? How do we diagram the structure?

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if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord ---> the council will not consider a complaint ---> UNLESS there have been formal complaints from multiple residents
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Also, why 1-A, 2-D aren't the apt options? There have been several discussions in previous posters, but i couldn't understand them.­ Please help.

If council imposes a fine for noise violation, then The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise is quite in line with the guideline: ''if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred''­



 

As for your first question: Unless X, Y

Keep in mind that this structure means "X" is necessary for "Not Y"

So "unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter."

is equivalent to 

"Formal complaints from multiple residents" is necessary for the council to consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly

So the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly.
But if multiple residents give a formal complaint, the council MAY consider the complaint even if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly.

Your second question has been answered by manasp35 very well above so I will not repeat it. 
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KarishmaB wrote:
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Hi KarishmaB GMATGuruNY avigutman
Quote:
  But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.

Can i write guidelines structure as below in terms of logical structure? It seems wrong but i am not sure why? How do we diagram the structure?

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if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord ---> the council will not consider a complaint ---> UNLESS there have been formal complaints from multiple residents
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why 1-A, 2-D aren't the apt options? There have been several discussions in previous posters, but i couldn't understand them.­ Please help.

If council imposes a fine for noise violation, then The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise is quite in line with the guideline: ''if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred''­







 

As for your first question: Unless X, Y

Keep in mind that this structure means "X" is necessary for "Not Y"

So "unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter."

is equivalent to 

"Formal complaints from multiple residents" is necessary for the council to consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly

So the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly.
But if multiple residents give a formal complaint, the council MAY consider the complaint even if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly.

Your second question has been answered by manasp35 very well above so I will not repeat it. 
­

KarishmaB
So the point why A, D can't be answer is that 
in this line `The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints` without formal complaints, Council May Impose Fines 
Right? ­

But i think also that 
in this line `the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.`we can't judge this "a complaint" is formal or not formal. 
Is this right Inference?­

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So the point why A, D can't be answer is that 
in this line `The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints` without formal complaints, Council May Impose Fines 
Right? ­

 

Yes, that's correct.
EDDIE98 wrote:
But i think also that 
in this line `the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.`we can't judge this "a complaint" is formal or not formal. 
Is this right Inference?­

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­From context, I will assume it to be formal only. We are talking only about formal verbal or written complaints in the entire passage.

The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. 

They are talking about imposing fines for formal complaints and then discussing "multiple individuals" vs "an individual." I would think that they are talking about formal complaints only. ­They make no distinction in the questions either. 
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EDDIE98 wrote:
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KarishmaB
So the point why A, D can't be answer is that 
in this line `The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints` without formal complaints, Council May Impose Fines 
Right? ­


 

Yes, that's correct.
EDDIE98 wrote:
But i think also that 
in this line `the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter.`we can't judge this "a complaint" is formal or not formal. 
Is this right Inference?­

Thanks

­From context, I will assume it to be formal only. We are talking only about formal verbal or written complaints in the entire passage.

The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. 

They are talking about imposing fines for formal complaints and then discussing "multiple individuals" vs "an individual." I would think that they are talking about formal complaints only. ­They make no distinction in the questions either. 

­Got it thanks!!!
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