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Hey guys...I am new to this forum. I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts and appreciate all the information sharing.

Columbia was the first school I was admitted to and since then I have pretty much had my heart set on going there. However, today I found out I got into NYU with a full scholarship. While I still believe going to Columbia would be amazing, I can't overlook the reality that going to NYU would eliminate $100k in debt off my tab.

I am really torn over this decision between two great schools. I thought it would be helpful to gather some feedback on this forum. I know everyone here is going to lean toward Columbia, but I do too so that is why I wanted to post this topic here.

I appreciate any feedback/advice you can provide.

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Hi CPAtoMBA!

CONGRATULATIONS on the full scholarship!! Thats AMAZING! You should be so proud of yourself :)

As much as I love Columbia, if I were you, I would honestly take the full scholarship and go to NYU. Not having $100k+ in debt is a huge blessing that is hard to pass up. And in reality, when you graduate from bshcool, you are likely to have around $140-$160k in loans (don't forget room and board) which is a huge sum of money that you will be paying off for a good number of years. Think of what you can do with that $100k. Your options are graduating with $40-$60k vs $140-$160k...I think its a no-brainer given that Stern is very highly regarded (top 10 or 15?) and will offer you the same recruiting opportunities as Columbia.

Columbia does have the better brand name but I have friends at both CBS and Stern and was surprised to find out that the exact same companies that recruit at Columbia come to NYU. Exact same companies. Some here will say, oh but it depends what you want to do. However, I really don't think that Stern will put you at any kind of significant disadvantage compared to Columbia in whatever area you choose (at least not enough of a disadvantage to want to take on $100k in debt). In fact, one of the pros of Stern is that they have so many sub-specialities. Again, I am saying this because I have friends at both schools and I am convinced that, apart from CBS' name, they are relatively comparable and they offer similar post-mba career opportunities to their students. Note: all of this is said with the assumption that you are a relatively motivated individual who will put in a moderate amount of effort for recruiting.

Off the top of my head, the advantages that Columbia has over Stern are:
- Brand name/better reputation/ivy league
- Higher ranking (by 5 spots? not major)
- More international student body and better known abroad
- Cheaper housing (Morningside Heights vs Greenwich Village)

I don't know much about Stern Alumni network and thus can't compare it to CBS'. I also don't know many details about the Stern MBA program, only what I hear from my friends there. I do know that they have great facilities and a strong sense of community amongst the students. I would look at employment reports (and find out what companies recruit there, post-mba salaries, how strong is their career center, etc), spend time and socialize with students, look at classes/professors/guest lectures, events/conferences, etc from both school to compare...

Good luck and let us know what you decide!!

And for the record, I am by no means putting down Columbia. Just being practical.

FWIW, I completely agree with this assessment. I got $25K scholarship from Stern, so big diff from full scholarship, but I had a very similar struggle in deciding and if I were awarded full schol, I would've chosen Stern no brainer.
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Totally agree. Columbia's edge on Stern is not significant enough to warrant passing up on $100k. I think in NYC, they are virtually equal. I would say the further you go from NYC the bigger the gap between schools.
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I agree. If I were in your shoes, I would definitely be going to NYU with a full ride $$$$. Congratulations CPAtoMBA, that's incredible!

I'm not sure how it works, but if you really want to go to CBS - maybe you can tell Columbia about the offer and use it as leverage for $$ to narrow the gap.... As I said, I'm not familiar with b-school $ negotiating. But worth a try?
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I agree. If I were in your shoes, I would definitely be going to NYU with a full ride $$$$. Congratulations CPAtoMBA, that's incredible!

I'm not sure how it works, but if you really want to go to CBS - maybe you can tell Columbia about the offer and use it as leverage for $$ to narrow the gap.... As I said, I'm not familiar with b-school $ negotiating. But worth a try?

I tried this and CBS's answer was basically "We don't give a f-ck." LOL. But maybe with a full ride counteroffer they may be a little more receptive...Worth a shot!
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My perception is that NYU has basically the same opportunities on the Finance side, but if you're going for consulting it is much more limited if you are targeting the top 3. Anyone else agree/disagree?
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A free MBA from a top 10 school? And it's in New York? Granted, I am for Columbia all the way because it was the right choice for me personally, but you should definitely take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity. I'm sure you won't regret it, more especially when all your friends are drowning in debt for the next 5 to 10 years :wink:
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My perception is that NYU has basically the same opportunities on the Finance side, but if you're going for consulting it is much more limited if you are targeting the top 3. Anyone else agree/disagree?

87 placements at M/B/B for the CBS class of 2009 vs. 9 at Stern. See the Poets and Quants article: https://poetsandquants.com/2010/08/16/ne ... ss-school/
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I think NYU with a full scholarship versus Columbia with no money depends on your career choice. If you want to go into finance, then take CBS. You'll make plenty of money real quickly and will be able to pay off the debt. Associates should be pulling in $250-350K at most shops. A lot of business is the network you have, and CBS's network is simply better. I also believe you'll have a better chance of getting into a finance job through Columbia than through NYU.

If you want to go into another career, then compare the placement statistics. Based on the conversation above, it looks like CBS is significantly better at placing people at M/B/B consulting firms. NYU may have better placement in other industries.

I think way too many people look at the short term gain over the long term gain. $150k is not that much money over the long term, expecially if a school can make the difference between getting the job you want and settling for a job you're not too happy with.
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I think those of us that are consumed with the "short term game" are likely just scared out of our wits about the debt we're about to incur.

Okay, so I'm speaking for myself here.... possibly.
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My perception is that NYU has basically the same opportunities on the Finance side, but if you're going for consulting it is much more limited if you are targeting the top 3. Anyone else agree/disagree?

87 placements at M/B/B for the CBS class of 2009 vs. 9 at Stern. See the Poets and Quants article: https://poetsandquants.com/2010/08/16/ne ... ss-school/

I'm not sure that's accurate since Stern only gives a list of companies with 3+ hires so P&Q assumes only 3 hires.
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My perception is that NYU has basically the same opportunities on the Finance side, but if you're going for consulting it is much more limited if you are targeting the top 3. Anyone else agree/disagree?

87 placements at M/B/B for the CBS class of 2009 vs. 9 at Stern. See the Poets and Quants article: https://poetsandquants.com/2010/08/16/ne ... ss-school/

I'm not sure that's accurate since Stern only gives a list of companies with 3+ hires so P&Q assumes only 3 hires.

Apologies. I misread the table. You are correct- the list of employers in the P&Q table are disclosed by Stern as hiring 3 or more grads.
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any NYers going to the happy hour on march 24th?

on a separate note, whats up with the gloomy depressing weather today?? Dying for some sunshine here...
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any NYers going to the happy hour on march 24th?

on a separate note, whats up with the gloomy depressing weather today?? Dying for some sunshine here...

Gloomy all the way down the East Coast to VA. When I can't see the sun and I need a little inspiration, I look over my shoulder at my new Columbia pennant on the wall and think about how grateful I am that I'll never look in the GMAT prep section of this website again.
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oh gosh, i almost forgot about my dreadful battle with the gmat! those were dark dark days...

Nice thinking with the CBS pennant for inspiration! I should do that but with something I can hide from my boss lol.
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any NYers going to the happy hour on march 24th?

on a separate note, whats up with the gloomy depressing weather today?? Dying for some sunshine here...

Gloomy all the way down the East Coast to VA. When I can't see the sun and I need a little inspiration, I look over my shoulder at my new Columbia pennant on the wall and think about how grateful I am that I'll never look in the GMAT prep section of this website again.

You guys want some endless gloom, try living in Seattle. 9 months of it. Is it summer yet? Only 4 more months to go.....
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Words cant express how fast I want summer to come......
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any NYers going to the happy hour on march 24th?

on a separate note, whats up with the gloomy depressing weather today?? Dying for some sunshine here...

Gloomy all the way down the East Coast to VA. When I can't see the sun and I need a little inspiration, I look over my shoulder at my new Columbia pennant on the wall and think about how grateful I am that I'll never look in the GMAT prep section of this website again.

You guys want some endless gloom, try living in Seattle. 9 months of it. Is it summer yet? Only 4 more months to go.....

Minneapolis here soo... unless there's someone from Alaska... haha.
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