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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.


The correct idiom is Consider x y and not consider x as y or consider x to be y or consider x as y or any other form.

Text in green: correct
Text in red: reasons due to which those particular options were incorrect.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.

Additional reasons for eliminating incorrect options:

When you start a sentence with Although....., [X] .... ; [X] must logically and grammatically link with the part in "Although.....". This eliminates A as the first word after comma should be Elizabeth Barrett.

Similarly, C makes an illogical comparison between EBB's poetry and success of her husband. Does not make sense. Option E makes a similar logic error by comparing poetry with her husband (and not her husband's poetry!!).

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.



D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

What does the pronoun "HER" refer to?? "HER" cannot refer to possessive "Elizabeth Barrett browning's success"

But as per MGMAT SC Guide, it is clearly mentioned that GMAT will steer away from having this issue the "make or beak" for any question.
So, maybe this is the fact being tested in the above question.

A - is out for modifier issues.
B, C, & E - are out for idiom "Consider X,Y" v/s "Consider X as Y" issue. (Consider X, Y - correct idiom)

So, that leaves us with D as the only answer.
But it's still debatable.

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

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Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.
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This is a simple test of idiom, ‘consider X Y’ first. Consider to be( A, C), consider as (B, E) are out. The survivor is D. Maybe, then you may think of wrong modification in C and wrong comparison in E.
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But doesnt choice D have a pronoun problem? there's no noun for her/she to refer to , and also the noun that it intends to refer to appears in Apostrophe and pronoun cannot refer to a noun in an apostrophe?

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Pronoun reference is a vexatious issue. There are worse cases in which one can find my suitors for the antecedence for a given pronoun. So it is not possible to convincingly dismiss pronoun ambiguity or antecedence that easily.

Even so, in the given case, there is not even an element of equivocation in the given question. Elizabeth is the only female antecedent in the prompt and the pronoun ‘she’ can only refer to that lady. In other words, this is the way GMAC wants us to avoid too much nuancing on pronoun reference.

One may note that all other choices are idiomatically unacceptable as per GMAT norms.
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But doesnt choice D have a pronoun problem? there's no noun for her/she to refer to , and also the noun that it intends to refer to appears in Apostrophe and pronoun cannot refer to a noun in an apostrophe?


Hi raj44,

when ('s + .. pronoun) is used then in order to be sure of no ambiguity, Replace the pronoun with previous 's and see if the meaning is clear.
Note - This rule is applicable only when the Noun is in it's possessive form (Noun+'s) in the given sentence.

Following three sentences should clear this rule and choice "D":

example - 1:
wrong sentence - Seena's book was so successful that she decided to write a sequel.
this sentence is wrong because, the pronoun "she" needs Seena not Seena's as its referant but in our sentence Seena's is present not Seena.

example - 2:
Correct sentence - Seena's parents were happy with the success of her novel.
this sentence is correct because, the pronoun "her" needs Seena's not Seena for the correct meaning which is present in the sentence.

example-3: ABOVE RULE will not work in this sentence because possessive form of noun is not used.
correct sentence - Seena was happy with the success of her novel.
in this sentence we cannot replace her with Seena to check the meaning because Seena is not in possessive form. Here, Seena is the referant for the pronoun 'her' with no ambiguity because there is no other person mentioned in the sentence. Ambiguity would be when there are two person Seena, Elizabeth and her is used in the sentence.

In the choice "D" - Lets use the above RULE:
"Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband"
"Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of Browning's husband"

This is why choice "D" has no ambiguity.

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Please correct me: I though "consider to be" is ok, as shown here by the Oxford Dictionary http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/consider

Also: I don't understand the structure "Among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet". Why "the best" is not used, and how "the better" is used within a group of more than 2 people?


This might be a bit late for a reply to your doubt but as it is GMAC that creates the questions in GMAT, American English may or may not follow Oxford Dictionary. You will be marking an incorrect option if you mark off an answer with the idiom "consider to be".

You have to stick to rules prescribed (implicitly or explicitly) by GMAC.

As for the 2nd question, "the better" is used as the comparison in between EBB and her husband. EBB's contemporaries consider EBB "the better" poet THAN HER HUSBAND. Comparison is not among her contemporaries.

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IMO D is also not correct....There is Pronoun ambiguity. There is not antecedent for She

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

or

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of EBB's husband, among EBB's contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

She can not refer to possessive noun.

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.


"Considered to be" is an expression that should not be interrupted by other words or phrases.

However, like most hard SC questions, the GMAT does not give us any options with "considered to be." Thus we must choose the 2nd best option.

The answer closest to "considered to be," Choice D, is correct.

A) "considered among" = no
B) same issue
C) misplaced modifier / comparison error. "Poetry" cannot be compared to "success" as they are of a different nature.
D) correct.
E) "considered among" again

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I solved it based on comparison only + little Idiom
Can you see the problem in this (Comparison ) - Compare apple to apple not apple to oranges.

A, B, C - compare (EBB with his success)
D - a specific use of That of her should ring some bells
E - similar should give you a hint her success was overshadowed by his (Success). ~ E does omit success, not sure if its ok (but E was still close in comparison w.r.t A, B, C (hence out)

But E changes the meaning in first part (EBB's poetry was considered better than her husband).

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poety had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Correct
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her comtemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.
(EBB's poetry was considered better than her husband ) Poetry --compare--husband
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But doesnt choice D have a pronoun problem? there's no noun for her/she to refer to , and also the noun that it intends to refer to appears in Apostrophe and pronoun cannot refer to a noun in an apostrophe?

This question has a historical significance in the annals of GMAT anthology :) .

For the first time in the available official sources, was it evident that GMAT is perfectly fine with a subject pronoun referring to a possessive noun.

It had been known for quite some time that GMAT was ok with an object pronoun referring to a possessive noun; however, most GMAT instructors continued to believe that GMAT would not be ok with a subject pronoun referring to a possessive noun.

This question proved otherwise and hence, continues to be a very cited question for this reason.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poety had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her comtemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.
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D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

...and now suddenly GMAC has conveniently started accepting something they used to call an 'error' in past! This is an OG-16 question, so should we believe that the rules have changed from now on?
In fact, they have mentioned the same antecedent issue in C as an error; and in the very next option, they dont even talk about it!!!

Feels like one day GMAC will come and say- 'Sun rises in west', and we will have to believe that thinking that its from 'official source'.. Com'n!

Had this not been from OG, there would have been riot on the OA :x
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


A quick comment on this, I understand only D uses the correct idiom Consider X Y, but "she" in this sentence has no antecedent as EBB's is in possessive. Does this show that GMAT has a bit more acceptance for pronoun ambiguity/lack of antecedent ? (mikemcgarry, egmat, let us know what you think)


Hi,
yes the possessive noun cannot refer to a subject pronoun.. and one has to see the Q is from OG as the Q does not seem to be discussed earlier, which is a rarity on GMAT Club.
however the only reason her could be refering to EBB's is that the first and second part of the sentence is clearly comparing her and her husband... so she can only refer to EBB and not any third person and this is the only possible answer.


Hi Chetan,

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. - Wrong placement of 'among her contemporaries' (not sure. Can you please explain if this could also be the reason for eliminating the option. If yes, how?)
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success. - 'considered as' is incorrect
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband. - it means EBB's poetry was overshadowed by the success of her husband - sounds illogical. It should be her success that is overshadowed by his success.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband - considered as (incorrect), success being compared to husband (incorrect)

Apart from the idiom issue can you please explain the issue with A (if there is any). Also are my reasons for eliminating A, B, C, and E correct?

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Apart from the idiom issue can you please explain the issue with A (if there is any).

Hi Megha, there a big pronoun issue with option A.

You would notice that in A, pronouns she and her appear as part of the introductory clause, though there is no Noun before these pronouns, to refer to.

In such cases, there must the Noun (that the pronoun should refer to) must be present immediately after the introductory clause. For example:

Although he was not a prodigy, Rahul Dravid nevertheless turned out to be among the most prolific batsmen in cricket.

Here, he correctly refers to Rahul Dravid, the noun that appears immediately after the introductory clause.

Similarly, in the sentence under consideration, Elizabeth Barrett Browning must have been present immediately after the introductory clause. Option A however has the word later appearing immediately after the introductory clause. This is not correct.

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(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. - Meaning issue and Awkward with the inclusion of later.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success. - Incorrect Comparison. Elizabeth's success was overshadowed by her husband's success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than her husband. - Again incorrect comparison between Elizabeth's poetry and husband himself.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Perfect grammatical construction. No comparison issues either.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his. - Highlighted portion shows again incorrect comparison.

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Very easy D
We don't even need to look at meaning or S-V agreement or tense.
THIS IS THE QUESTION ABOUT "IDIOM"
Consider X Y (correct)
Consider X as Y (Wrong)
Consider X to be Y (Wrong)
A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband. \
D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. RIGHT Consider X Y => Consider Elizabeth (X) better poet (Y)
E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.[/quote]



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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

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shonakshi wrote:
is this also wrong ...CONSIDER X AS Y ..

Hi shonakshi, this is where idioms get tricky. While CONSIDER X AS Y is incorrect, REGARD X AS Y is correct.

The good part about GMAT SC is that chances are minimal that an option would test you on idiomatic usage alone.

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