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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.


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Question No.: SC 805
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Elizabeth Barrett Browning

(A) Comparison / Idiom (the better poet than)

(B) Idiom (considered as)

(C) Modifier / Meaning (Later overshadowed …)

(D) CORRECT

(E) Idiom (considered as); Comparison (X is better than Y)


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The entire sentence is underlined. Full-underline problems often test one of the Big 4 topics: Structure, Meaning, Modifiers, and Parallelism.

Issues

(1) Comparison / Idiom: the better poet than

Comparison: X is better than Y

The better poet than is not a proper comparison construction.

One person can be a better poet than another person. When speaking of two people, you can also say that one person is the better poet. Starting the phrase with the word the (instead of a) indicates that you have already mentioned the two people in question. Since this is the case, you do not need to make a full comparison (this person is a better poet than the other person). You can just say that, of the two people, this person is the better poet. Eliminate choice (A).

The other four choices do not make this specific mistake, but choice (E) does introduce a different comparison error. Browning’s poetry was … better than her husband. Comparisons must compare similar things—poetry to poetry or person to person. In this choice, though, poetry is compared to a person (her husband). Eliminate choice (E).

(2) Idiom: considered as

The answers differ in their treatment of the word considered. Choices (A) and (C) use considered … to be X, choices (B) and (E) use considered … as X, and choice D uses considered X.

It is correct to say considered X (She considers him funny). It can be acceptable to say considered to be X (She considers him to be funny), though the to be is not necessary and, in some cases, is considered wrong. If you see considered to be X, be suspicious, but look for something more solid to eliminate that choice.

Considered as X (She considers him as funny) is almost always incorrect. You can eliminate answer choices based on this construction. In this case, eliminate choices (B) and (E).

(3) Modifier / Meaning: Later overshadowed …

Choice (C) begins with an opening modifier: Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s poetry had been …

This choice compares her husband’s success to her own poetry. The comparison should be either between her husband’s success and Browning’s success (Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Browning’s success …) or between the poetry of each person (Later overshadowed by the success of her husband’s poetry, Browning’s poetry ….). Eliminate (C) for a faulty comparison.

The Correct Answer

Correct answer (D) properly compares Browning’s success to that [the success] of her husband. It also uses the later comparison idiom correctly: she was considered the better poet.

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.


The correct idiom is Consider x y and not consider x as y or consider x to be y or consider x as y or any other form.

Text in green: correct
Text in red: reasons due to which those particular options were incorrect.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.

Additional reasons for eliminating incorrect options:

When you start a sentence with Although....., [X] .... ; [X] must logically and grammatically link with the part in "Although.....". This eliminates A as the first word after comma should be Elizabeth Barrett.

Similarly, C makes an illogical comparison between EBB's poetry and success of her husband. Does not make sense. Option E makes a similar logic error by comparing poetry with her husband (and not her husband's poetry!!).

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

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Pronoun reference is a vexatious issue. There are worse cases in which one can find my suitors for the antecedence for a given pronoun. So it is not possible to convincingly dismiss pronoun ambiguity or antecedence that easily.

Even so, in the given case, there is not even an element of equivocation in the given question. Elizabeth is the only female antecedent in the prompt and the pronoun ‘she’ can only refer to that lady. In other words, this is the way GMAC wants us to avoid too much nuancing on pronoun reference.

One may note that all other choices are idiomatically unacceptable as per GMAT norms.
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But doesnt choice D have a pronoun problem? there's no noun for her/she to refer to , and also the noun that it intends to refer to appears in Apostrophe and pronoun cannot refer to a noun in an apostrophe?


Hi raj44,

when ('s + .. pronoun) is used then in order to be sure of no ambiguity, Replace the pronoun with previous 's and see if the meaning is clear.
Note - This rule is applicable only when the Noun is in it's possessive form (Noun+'s) in the given sentence.

Following three sentences should clear this rule and choice "D":

example - 1:
wrong sentence - Seena's book was so successful that she decided to write a sequel.
this sentence is wrong because, the pronoun "she" needs Seena not Seena's as its referant but in our sentence Seena's is present not Seena.

example - 2:
Correct sentence - Seena's parents were happy with the success of her novel.
this sentence is correct because, the pronoun "her" needs Seena's not Seena for the correct meaning which is present in the sentence.

example-3: ABOVE RULE will not work in this sentence because possessive form of noun is not used.
correct sentence - Seena was happy with the success of her novel.
in this sentence we cannot replace her with Seena to check the meaning because Seena is not in possessive form. Here, Seena is the referant for the pronoun 'her' with no ambiguity because there is no other person mentioned in the sentence. Ambiguity would be when there are two person Seena, Elizabeth and her is used in the sentence.

In the choice "D" - Lets use the above RULE:
"Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband"
"Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of Browning's husband"

This is why choice "D" has no ambiguity.

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I solved it based on comparison only + little Idiom
Can you see the problem in this (Comparison ) - Compare apple to apple not apple to oranges.

A, B, C - compare (EBB with his success)
D - a specific use of That of her should ring some bells
E - similar should give you a hint her success was overshadowed by his (Success). ~ E does omit success, not sure if its ok (but E was still close in comparison w.r.t A, B, C (hence out)

But E changes the meaning in first part (EBB's poetry was considered better than her husband).

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poety had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Correct
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her comtemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.
(EBB's poetry was considered better than her husband ) Poetry --compare--husband
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But doesnt choice D have a pronoun problem? there's no noun for her/she to refer to , and also the noun that it intends to refer to appears in Apostrophe and pronoun cannot refer to a noun in an apostrophe?

This question has a historical significance in the annals of GMAT anthology :) .

For the first time in the available official sources, was it evident that GMAT is perfectly fine with a subject pronoun referring to a possessive noun.

It had been known for quite some time that GMAT was ok with an object pronoun referring to a possessive noun; however, most GMAT instructors continued to believe that GMAT would not be ok with a subject pronoun referring to a possessive noun.

This question proved otherwise and hence, continues to be a very cited question for this reason.
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I am bit worried If i am comparing anything wrong here..
I have gone through the thread and most of the things discussed around idiom and possessive pronoun.
I made to D by different reason. Please correct me if I am comparing anything wrong here
In every choice other than D , either we are comparing EBB with his success or Her husband with EBB's success. ONly D provides the correct comparison

A ) Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. I think EBB's success is required
B) she was later overshadowed by his success. Same as A.
c) overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry... poetry is not overshadowed
D correct comaprision Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband
e) poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband Again same wrong comparision.
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Can anyone show me where in OG materials right idiom "consider X Y" or wrong "consider X as/to be Y" is mentioned? I have never seen such explanation or guide by GMAC for any question even this. Thank you!


1. Consider X to be Y
2. Consider X Y
3. Consider X as Y
These are all correct but in GMAT, use consider X Y. here are some examples:

Specific to GMAT:
RIGHT: considers X Y (e.g. I consider her a friend.)
SUSPECT: considers X to be Y (e.g. The judge considers the law to be unconstitutional.)
WRONG: considers X as Y. (e.g. The judge considers the law as (being)unconstitutional.)
This discussion may help you : https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/idiom-consider-t2758.html

Consider X Y (no ‘to be’)
Correct: Most musicologists consider Joseph Haydn the father of the sonata.
Incorrect: Most musicologists consider Joseph Haydn to be the father of the sonata.
Incorrect: Most musicologists consider Joseph Haydn as the father of the sonata.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2011/top-ten-most-common-gmat-idioms/

OG13: Please check the #Q119 with its explanation on page 763 in OG13. in this question GMAC says: "When consider means think of OR believe after careful deliberation, it does not require "as" or any other expression (to be) before that object. it says "most concise" form needs to be used.

Now look at this question http://gmatclub.com/forum/in-california-a-lack-of-genetic-variation-in-the-argentine-35018.html . In this questions every choice has used considered to be.

Till now i have always got a GMAT question correct if i preferred considered X Y over consider to be/as.
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Option D, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
How is her refering Elizabeth here? the subject is EBB's success not EBB. Will you describe the rule regarding this?
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In terms of meaning and Idiom Consider XY aspects I agree that Choice D is the best option here.
But here "she" pronoun is referring to subject noun in possessive form.
Did Gmat relax its rules regarding possessive pronouns? Please explain :|


The sentence also uses "her" to refer to "Browning's". Since all she / her must refer to the same person in a sentence, it is clear that "she" refers to Elizabeth Barrett Browning.

I have not come across an official question in which a personal pronoun refers to a possessive noun directly (i.e. without a possessive pronoun to make the reference clear).
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Please explain why B is not correct

Hi KARISHMA315, this is where some knowledge on idioms can actually come in very handy. The correct idiom is considered and not considered as, as used in option B.

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also how D is correct.In D 'her' is referring to Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s success ,so how is it correct

Actually her (a possessive pronoun) is very perfectly referring to the possessive noun Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s.

However, more relevant question in this regard would be: How is a subject pronoun she referring to a possessive noun Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s? As this sentence depicts, this is allowed on GMAT as well! So, for the most part, the case of a pronoun (subject/object/possessive) is not something that should bother you, while analyzing an option.

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

This is my 2 cents.
I think most people will manage to get down to B and D.
While solving this, I did not catch the correct idiom usage of "consider x y".
Instead, I focused on the meaning and chose D.

The problem with B is "...she was later overshadowed by his success". His success cannot overshadow a person.
In D, we see the correct meaning "Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by [success] of her husband..."
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I chose D after "consider X Y" split.

But I have question for choice D, what is the antecedent for pronoun "she", the possesive pronoun has antecendent "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success"

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I chose D after "consider X Y" split.

But I have question for choice D, what is the antecedent for pronoun "she", the possesive pronoun has antecendent "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success"

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'She' refers to Elizabeth Browning. While the antecedent is not explicitly stated, it unambiguously refers to Elizabeth Browning. Ultimately Sentence Correction is about picking the best answer among the choices. The best answer choice is not always perfect.
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I chose D after "consider X Y" split.

But I have question for choice D, what is the antecedent for pronoun "she", the possesive pronoun has antecendent "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success"

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Hello hellosanthosh2k2,


Yes, you are correct in saying that she in the correct answer choice does not seem to have a grammatical antecedent because this non-possessive pronoun seems to refer to the possessive noun Elizabeth Barrett Browning's.

However, I would treat this one as an atypical usage of a non-possessive pronoun. I would take this usage as an exception rather than the rule. I would still look for a non-possessive noun as a grammatical antecedent of a non-possessive pronoun.


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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.


The pronoun rule that is stated in MGMAT forum (https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... tml#p46683) is
* POSSESSIVE NOUN with NON-POSSESSIVE PRONOUN is NOT OK.
BUT
ALL OTHER COMBINATIONS are ok.

1. Jose's room is so clean that his mother praises him
"His" can refer to "Jose's" because they both are possessives
"Him" is a problem because an object pronoun CANNOT refer to a possessive.

2. Jose keeps him room so clean that his mother praises him.
- Both possessive and object pronoun(his and him) can refer to a subject noun.

Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. -- But how does the subject pronoun She refer to possessive noun 'Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success'?

Pronoun rules that I can remember-
1. A pronoun can stand ONLY for a noun or another pronoun.- Number(singular/plural) of the noun makes sense with number of the pronoun
2. Pronoun ambiguity is not tested on GMAT.

"so here's the simplest way of making the decision: (From Thursdays with Ron)

1) if you see an AMBIGUOUS PRONOUN that is REPLACED BY THE CORRECT NOUN in OTHER ANSWER CHOICES, then ELIMINATE the ambiguous pronoun and keep the specific noun.
for an example, see problem 68 in the blue verbal supplement, in which ""them"" is split against ""these companies"".

HOWEVER,
2) if you see an ambiguous pronoun that is NOT replaced by the correct noun in any of the other answer choices, then DON'T eliminate!
for an example, see problem 21 in the blue verbal supplement (in which the correct answer contains a technically ambiguous pronoun).
or see the problem in this thread!

4.also:
in general, OBJECTS OF PREPOSITIONS are very rarely the antecedents of pronouns. (i won't say never -- but rarely enough that, if you have to make a random guess, this is probably a pretty good standard by which to make such a guess.)
for instance:
if you have ""the cat in the box"", then it is very unlikely that a pronoun will be able to stand for ""box""."


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