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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

The pronoun rule that is stated in MGMAT forum (https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... tml#p46683) is
* POSSESSIVE NOUN with NON-POSSESSIVE PRONOUN is NOT OK.
BUT
ALL OTHER COMBINATIONS are ok.

1. Jose's room is so clean that his mother praises him
"His" can refer to "Jose's" because they both are possessives
"Him" is a problem because an object pronoun CANNOT refer to a possessive.

2. Jose keeps him room so clean that his mother praises him.
- Both possessive and object pronoun(his and him) can refer to a subject noun.

Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. -- But how does the subject pronoun She refer to possessive noun 'Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success'?

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This is a precedent-setting question in which a regular pronoun refers to a noun in the possessive form. What this question signifies is that the rule you mentioned is no longer correct (actually not correct since three years back when this question first appeared). If the rules don't agree with the official questions, the rules need to change. English is not a stagnant language; it is continuously evolving. What was considered incorrect yesterday may not be considered incorrect today. Such is the case with this usage.

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I still don't get the point why SHE in option D is not incorrect... does this pronoun have any antecedent?
Reading other answers I got why HER is ok, but I can't figure out why SHE is correct..
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I still don't get the point why SHE in option D is not incorrect... does this pronoun have any antecedent?
Reading other answers I got why HER is ok, but I can't figure out why SHE is correct..
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Apparently, there is some debate regarding whether a possessive noun can correctly serve as the antecedent of a personal pronoun.

The GMAT seems to have come down on the side of the debate that says that a noun in the possessive form, such as "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's," can serve as the antecedent of a personal pronoun, such as "she."

So, in this case, "she" refers to "Elizabeth Barrett Browning" even though, in this sentence, the noun appears only in the form "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's."
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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and narrow it down to the correct choice quickly! First, here is the original question with any major differences highlighted in orange:

Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

While there is a lot we could focus on, there are 2 main areas we can start with:

1. How Browning is compared to her husband (Idioms)
2. How Browning was overshadowed by her husband (Parallelism)

Let's start with #1 on our list: how the sentence compares Browning to her husband. This is an issue of idiom structure with comparisons. We need to make sure that each sentence follows the general rules of how to compare two items:

X is better than Y
X is considered Y
X is considered to be Y

Let's take a close look at each sentence and determine if each uses the proper idiom formats. If not, let's eliminate them:

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

considered...to be = OKAY
she was...better than her husband = OKAY

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning was...better than her husband = OKAY

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

considered...to be = OKAY
Browning's poetry had been...better than that of her husband = OKAY

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

she was considered... = OKAY
she was...the better poet = OKAY

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning's poetry...better than her husband = OKAY

We can eliminate options B & E because they use one or both idioms incorrectly. Now that we have it narrowed down to 3 options, let's tackle #2 on our list. We need to make sure that the items being compared in each sentence are parallel!

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

This is INCORRECT because it's not idiomatically correct to say that Browning is "the better poet than" her husband. It's best to say she is "a better poet" than her husband, or just say that between the two of them, she is "the better poet."

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

This is INCORRECT because it contains a misleading modifier. Who/what was overshadowed by the husband's success? The wife! It doesn't make sense to compare the husband's success to the wife's poetry - that's not parallel. The sentence needs to clearly contrast the husband's success with the wife's success to be parallel.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

This is CORRECT! It uses parallel structure to compare Browning's success to her husband's success, and it correctly handles the comparison of their abilities as poets by saying she is "the better poet."


There you have it - option D is the correct choice!


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Dear EMPOWERgmatVerbal,
I find option D to be the most suitable answer. but I feel that meaning of the sentence is changed in the phrase "among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet".

Actual meaning of the sentence should be she was considered better poet than her husband.

In the phase mentioned above, it means that she is better poet than the contemporaries

Kindly suggest.

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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and narrow it down to the correct choice quickly! First, here is the original question with any major differences highlighted in orange:

Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

While there is a lot we could focus on, there are 2 main areas we can start with:

1. How Browning is compared to her husband (Idioms)
2. How Browning was overshadowed by her husband (Parallelism)

Let's start with #1 on our list: how the sentence compares Browning to her husband. This is an issue of idiom structure with comparisons. We need to make sure that each sentence follows the general rules of how to compare two items:

X is better than Y
X is considered Y
X is considered to be Y

Let's take a close look at each sentence and determine if each uses the proper idiom formats. If not, let's eliminate them:

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

considered...to be = OKAY
she was...better than her husband = OKAY

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning was...better than her husband = OKAY

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

considered...to be = OKAY
Browning's poetry had been...better than that of her husband = OKAY

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

she was considered... = OKAY
she was...the better poet = OKAY

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning's poetry...better than her husband = OKAY

We can eliminate options B & E because they use one or both idioms incorrectly. Now that we have it narrowed down to 3 options, let's tackle #2 on our list. We need to make sure that the items being compared in each sentence are parallel!

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

This is INCORRECT because it's not idiomatically correct to say that Browning is "the better poet than" her husband. It's best to say she is "a better poet" than her husband, or just say that between the two of them, she is "the better poet."

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

This is INCORRECT because it contains a misleading modifier. Who/what was overshadowed by the husband's success? The wife! It doesn't make sense to compare the husband's success to the wife's poetry - that's not parallel. The sentence needs to clearly contrast the husband's success with the wife's success to be parallel.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

This is CORRECT! It uses parallel structure to compare Browning's success to her husband's success, and it correctly handles the comparison of their abilities as poets by saying she is "the better poet."


There you have it - option D is the correct choice!


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Dear EMPOWERgmatVerbal,
I find option D to be the most suitable answer. but I feel that meaning of the sentence is changed in the phrase "among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet".

Actual meaning of the sentence should be she was considered better poet than her husband.

In the phase mentioned above, it means that she is better poet than the contemporaries

Kindly suggest.

Thanks in advance
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If a comparison involves multiple people, you have to use "best", not better.
Better specifies that two things are being compared so there is no confusion. Also she and her husband are being compared in the first part of the sentence.

"Among her contemporaries, she was considered the better poet" means "people of her time considered her to be better than her husband".
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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and narrow it down to the correct choice quickly! First, here is the original question with any major differences highlighted in orange:

Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

While there is a lot we could focus on, there are 2 main areas we can start with:

1. How Browning is compared to her husband (Idioms)
2. How Browning was overshadowed by her husband (Parallelism)

Let's start with #1 on our list: how the sentence compares Browning to her husband. This is an issue of idiom structure with comparisons. We need to make sure that each sentence follows the general rules of how to compare two items:

X is better than Y
X is considered Y
X is considered to be Y

Let's take a close look at each sentence and determine if each uses the proper idiom formats. If not, let's eliminate them:

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

considered...to be = OKAY
she was...better than her husband = OKAY

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning was...better than her husband = OKAY

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

considered...to be = OKAY
Browning's poetry had been...better than that of her husband = OKAY

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

she was considered... = OKAY
she was...the better poet = OKAY

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

considered...as = WRONG
Browning's poetry...better than her husband = OKAY

We can eliminate options B & E because they use one or both idioms incorrectly. Now that we have it narrowed down to 3 options, let's tackle #2 on our list. We need to make sure that the items being compared in each sentence are parallel!

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

This is INCORRECT because it's not idiomatically correct to say that Browning is "the better poet than" her husband. It's best to say she is "a better poet" than her husband, or just say that between the two of them, she is "the better poet."

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

This is INCORRECT because it contains a misleading modifier. Who/what was overshadowed by the husband's success? The wife! It doesn't make sense to compare the husband's success to the wife's poetry - that's not parallel. The sentence needs to clearly contrast the husband's success with the wife's success to be parallel.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

This is CORRECT! It uses parallel structure to compare Browning's success to her husband's success, and it correctly handles the comparison of their abilities as poets by saying she is "the better poet."


There you have it - option D is the correct choice!


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Dear EMPOWERgmatVerbal,
I find option D to be the most suitable answer. but I feel that meaning of the sentence is changed in the phrase "among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet".

Actual meaning of the sentence should be she was considered better poet than her husband.

In the phase mentioned above, it means that she is better poet than the contemporaries

Kindly suggest.

Thanks in advance
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Hello priyanshu14!

Thanks for another great question! Let's look at option D more closely:

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

This sentences does NOT say that she's better than her contemporaries! It says that her contemporaries think she was the BETTER poet - which means she was better than only one other poet...her husband! If her contemporaries thought she was better than all of them, it would have said "among her contemporaries she was considered the BEST poet."

This sentence covers the intended meaning correctly:

Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband = Correct comparison of Elizabeth's success to her husband's success

among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. = Her contemporaries though she was a better poet than her husband; this is correctly reflected with the comparison term "better," which is only used when comparing 2 things or people.

I hope this helps!
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I was wondering if now all pronouns can refer to possessive nouns (given there is no other logical antecedent). Is this now a new 100% correct rule.
Are these examples correct?

Ex – George’s diet made him fat.

Ex - John's knowledge was appreciated by followers, and he was happy to help them

Thank you very much! I am changing my notes now since GMAT is changing the rules :(
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Indeed; as this sentence illustrates, mismatch in pronoun case (subject, object, and possessive) should not be a reason for you to eliminate an option.
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Why OA for Choice C and Choice D conflict each other regarding the 'non-possessive pronoun referring to possessive antecedent' issue? If gmat really eases the rule on this, how can the OA of C.) be like the below?

(taken from OG) --> OA for C.) "The subject here is EBB's poetry, not EBB, so the antecedent of her in her husband could comically be taken to be EBB's poetry"

OA for D.) "This version avoids the problems of the other version"


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"The subject here is EBB's poetry, not EBB, so the antecedent of her in her husband could comically be taken to be EBB's poetry"
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Hi rinrada, that's a completely different context. The rule is:

A pronoun in an introductory modifier refers to the subject of the of the succeeding clause.

So, in C, pronoun (her) in introductory modifier (Later overshadowed by the success of her husband) refers to the subject (Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry) of the succeeding clause.

This is clearly absurd. This is what OA for C is talking about.

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Hello generis

N option D can you help me understand id the relationship between the pronoun her and she is connected to the correct antecedent. Thanks
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Hi akash7gupta11 , you are asking about what is known as the "possessive poison" rule in which a subject (she) or object (her) pronoun allegedly may not refer to an antecedent noun that is possessive.

After a lot of research, I wrote a whole post on this issue.
At least six official questions exist that violate the guideline.
In the post, I talk about four of those official questions. This question is one of those four.

In that post I explain that as long as meaning is clear, subject and object pronouns may refer to possessive nouns.
Please read that post, and if you are still confused about this question, post again and tag me.
I am happy to try to help.
The post about GMAC's position on the "possessive poison" rule is here.

I hope that post helps. If not, as I said, come back and ask again. :)
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Consider/Considered + Noun is the correct structure. Consider to be, Consider as, are all wrong. Consider+bare form of the noun is the correct structure.

Only option D says "considered the better poet". Rest all choices say considered as, considered to be.

OPTION: D
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better 21 Jul 2019, 22:06
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Consider/Considered + Noun is the correct structure. Consider to be, Consider as, are all wrong. Consider+bare form of the noun is the correct structure.

Only option D says "considered the better poet". Rest all choices say considered as, considered to be.

OPTION: D
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eswarchethu135 , I would not be quite so certain that you can eliminate options on the basis of consider to be.

An official question that uses consider to be in the correct answer choice is HERE.

Another official question, HERE uses consider to be in its non-underlined part.

Consider to be is probably not a basis upon which an answer should be eliminated. Those options have other errors.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better 22 Jul 2019, 12:50
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(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.- Considered to is incorrect idiom

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.- Considered as is incorrect idiom

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.- Considered to is incorrect idiom

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Correct

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.- Considered as is incorrect idiom

Hence D
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better 27 Sep 2019, 02:34
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I still don't get the point why SHE in option D is not incorrect... does this pronoun have any antecedent?
Reading other answers I got why HER is ok, but I can't figure out why SHE is correct..
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In D, possessive noun (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's) with possessive pronoun (her) is perfectly fine. But, the problem is in "possessive noun" ( Elizabeth Barrett Browning's ) with "non-possessive pronoun" ( she ). We did not directly get this "non-possessive pronoun" (she) from "possessive noun" (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's); we got "possessive pronoun" (her) first. From my understanding, "possessive pronoun" (her) with "non-possessive pronoun" (she) make sense at least for this case!
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There is no need to distinguish between possessive and non-possessive in evaluating the antecedent of pronouns. There is only one female in the sentence, and so the antecedent of both "she" and "her" is completely clear.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

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Hi DmitryFarber daagh VeritasKarishma AjiteshArun

The reason I rejected option 'B' was incorrect comparison. The comparison, which I think is incorrect, states that Elizabeth Barrett Browning (a person) was overshadowed by 'success'. The comparison should be either between 2 people or between the success levels of 2 people.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding.


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You forgot the import of the word 'than'. That is the comaparison marker and whatever is next to it is the compared item on one hand. Ther other compared element is Browning. That she was overshadowed by his success is just an indicative taement. There is no comparison involved in taht part, because ther is no comparison in that portion.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.


(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

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To eliminate option B, do we use
1. idiom(Consider X Y) ?
2. Comparison issue - she was later overshadowed by his success? (We also have a similar construction in option A, though A is incorrect because Although.. should be followed by EBB)

AjiteshArun , GMATNinja , MagooshExpert , GMATGuruNY , VeritasPrepBrian , MartyTargetTestPrep , DmitryFarber , VeritasKarishma , generis , EducationAisle , other experts - please enlighten
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