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Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.


(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
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Originally posted by ssandeepan on 05 Aug 2008, 17:28.
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   16 Aug 2010, 17:57
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Tons of great discussion on this one, but nobody seems to have broken it down in a totally convincing way. So here I am!

99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
ANSWER: This is a tough verb tense question. In the second clause we have a past tense verb and a future tense verb. This is not the most beautiful way to formulate this issue. Consider a smaller sentence: "Though I liked 'Inception', I told my friends that it must be seen so that everyone will discuss it with me." See how wrong that is? I "liked" it in the past, so why would I then go into the future for when people discuss it with me? Also, then we need YET ANOTHER tense, the present "is". That's three tenses in ONE CLAUSE. Ick! However, none of it is technically wrong. Still, is this an official question? I do not approve.

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
PROBLEM: Though the "had" is actually okay here, it goes wrong soon after. First, we would want "know" to match with the plural subject "management and labor". Also, we would need "would know" after the past perfect.

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
PROBLEM: There is no antecedent for the pronoun "they". Again, we would want "would know" instead of "knew".

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
PROBLEM: We can't justify the "was" at the end, because this is a conditional phrase, which is in the future. However, I still hate A.

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
PROBLEM: No reason to use past perfects here.

Hope that helps, all! Remember the MOST IMPORTANT RULE for verb tense remains that you shouldn't change the tense if you don't have to. It's just these future/conditional situations that can get hairy.

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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   05 Aug 2008, 20:01
IMO A

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Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is ("it" correctly refers to schedule; and "is" is necessary since it needs to be in present tense you cannot have "was assigned" as it will make it past tense.
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is ("had" is wrong; to use "had" correctly you need to past activities and the had will go with the activity that happened first)
(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was (was)
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
. "had" is also wrong --- it does not follow past perfect rules.
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99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
Here although part in past(agreed) ....he said(past) then it must be management (knew)---Plz clarify the use of tenses in the options
I need clarification between A, C and D....


you need a independent clause after the comma (or after the dependent clause in our case) so E doesn't make sense.
in E, 'saying that' here saying is 'verb' but who is saying it? so subject is missing.

'B' is wrong because this option needs a 'that clause' 'he said it' is wrong. and 'had to be' and 'is' ..doesnt make sense.

C ..'they' refers to what?
D is wrong for past tense use.
correct answer should start with 'he said that it' ...So A is fine.
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99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been

the schedule is yet ot be poted so everyone " is " yet to know their assigned tasks ...
so straight away eliminate C,D,E ...

"Management and labor" should go with "know" as it is a plural usage .... so eliminate B as well.

A is right.
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   15 Nov 2009, 00:41
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99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
Here although part in past(agreed) ....he said(past) then it must be management (knew)---Plz clarify the use of tenses in the options
I need clarification between A, C and D....


Choice C contains “they” which incorrectly refers to work schedule. Hence Choice C is out.

Regarding A and D. “would have” is used in conditional statements Ex: If I had X, I would have Y.

If manager is putting conditions to agree for a more flexible schedule "would have" could have been a better choice. however in this case the manager has already agreed for a more flexible schedule. So a simple future tense would suffice
So D is out
Hence the correct sentence is A
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   15 Aug 2010, 18:17
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is <CORRECT>
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   17 Aug 2010, 11:34
tommy how this sentence is conditional .... there is no IF ???? or must is making it conditional??
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Hey Jatt,

Yes, you're right. I meant future AND conditional issues can make the tenses go weird (hence the three different tenses in a single clause we get in answer choice A). This is just future tense here, not a conditional.

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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   06 Sep 2010, 02:01
@tommy
Isnt there an ambiguity in the option A
he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is


What must be posted,
1. The news that the manager has agreed to the schedule.
2. or the schedule itself.

Whereas this ambiguity is cleared in the option D.
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   11 Sep 2010, 04:05
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Hey Jatt,

Yes, you're right. I meant future AND conditional issues can make the tenses go weird (hence the three different tenses in a single clause we get in answer choice A). This is just future tense here, not a conditional.

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Hi Tommy,
In your first reply u mentioned that
(B) Also, we would need "would know" after the past perfect.

Since this is not a conditional sentence , why do u need a "would"?
I thought would is only meant for a conditional.

E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
PROBLEM: No reason to use past perfects here.
But the last past perfect everyone had been allotted conveys that that people had been delegated their duties before the schedule was put up.

Tommy please let us know what a correct statement would look like as all the options appear to have problems.
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   11 Sep 2010, 12:03
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Hey Bala/Munda,

First Bala's question. "News" isn't in the sentence. The only things that can be antecedents are actual spoken nouns in the sentence, not ideas that are understood. So no, there is no ambiguity in A.

Munda, issue #1. We need "would" in B because they already used "would" in the sentence, so we have to stay that way, to maintain the meaning. This is really just logic (try to say the sentence without it).

Issue #2. You're right. You could defend the past perfect here. The bigger problem is that answer choice E doesn't create a full sentence (we start in a dependent clause, which we then modify).

I'm not going to write a correct sentence, if you don't mind. There are an infinite number of ways to write it correctly. A is one of them, it's just not pretty. I'd prefer it as a couple separate sentences, to deal with all the tense changing. : )

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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   09 Aug 2016, 03:50
Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.

(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is

Inconsistency between two timeframe : had to be posted on the bulletin board vs "know what everyone is"

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was : what "they" here refers to??
(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was : I though "was" is wrong here. But I am not sure.
(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been : E is not a sentence.
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   10 Mar 2019, 04:25
C is the one with the clearest flaw. The pronoun ‘they’ has no antecedent, so this one is incorrect. In D, ‘was’ is incorrect as it is a conditional phrase. E also has tense issues, as it is using the past perfect. B has an SV problem, ‘labor and management’ are plural so it should be ‘knew’ not ‘know’.

A seems to be the correct choice.
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Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   26 Mar 2019, 09:20
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is --meaning chaneged

(C) he said that theywould have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was ---Wordy + must changed to would

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been


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Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.


(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   31 Mar 2019, 13:07
Does gmat test you such weird constructions? Tenses are bizarre in option A ....

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Hey All,

Tons of great discussion on this one, but nobody seems to have broken it down in a totally convincing way. So here I am!

99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
ANSWER: This is a tough verb tense question. In the second clause we have a past tense verb and a future tense verb. This is not the most beautiful way to formulate this issue. Consider a smaller sentence: "Though I liked 'Inception', I told my friends that it must be seen so that everyone will discuss it with me." See how wrong that is? I "liked" it in the past, so why would I then go into the future for when people discuss it with me? Also, then we need YET ANOTHER tense, the present "is". That's three tenses in ONE CLAUSE. Ick! However, none of it is technically wrong. Still, is this an official question? I do not approve.

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
PROBLEM: Though the "had" is actually okay here, it goes wrong soon after. First, we would want "know" to match with the plural subject "management and labor". Also, we would need "would know" after the past perfect.

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
PROBLEM: There is no antecedent for the pronoun "they". Again, we would want "would know" instead of "knew".

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
PROBLEM: We can't justify the "was" at the end, because this is a conditional phrase, which is in the future. However, I still hate A.

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
PROBLEM: No reason to use past perfects here.

Hope that helps, all! Remember the MOST IMPORTANT RULE for verb tense remains that you shouldn't change the tense if you don't have to. It's just these future/conditional situations that can get hairy.

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Would you agree that changing “must be” with “has to be” makes A more palatable?

According to some internet research, we “use ‘have to’ when somebody else other than the speaker has made the decision.”

The next step would be recognizing that the use of “to be” requires using “will”.

Lmk what you think!

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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   13 Jun 2021, 12:08
TommyWallach wrote:
Hey All,

Tons of great discussion on this one, but nobody seems to have broken it down in a totally convincing way. So here I am!

99. Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.
(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is
ANSWER: This is a tough verb tense question. In the second clause we have a past tense verb and a future tense verb. This is not the most beautiful way to formulate this issue. Consider a smaller sentence: "Though I liked 'Inception', I told my friends that it must be seen so that everyone will discuss it with me." See how wrong that is? I "liked" it in the past, so why would I then go into the future for when people discuss it with me? Also, then we need YET ANOTHER tense, the present "is". That's three tenses in ONE CLAUSE. Ick! However, none of it is technically wrong. Still, is this an official question? I do not approve.

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is
PROBLEM: Though the "had" is actually okay here, it goes wrong soon after. First, we would want "know" to match with the plural subject "management and labor". Also, we would need "would know" after the past perfect.

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was
PROBLEM: There is no antecedent for the pronoun "they". Again, we would want "would know" instead of "knew".

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was
PROBLEM: We can't justify the "was" at the end, because this is a conditional phrase, which is in the future. However, I still hate A.

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been
PROBLEM: No reason to use past perfects here.

Hope that helps, all! Remember the MOST IMPORTANT RULE for verb tense remains that you shouldn't change the tense if you don't have to. It's just these future/conditional situations that can get hairy.

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COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY "you should never change the tense if you don't have to" ??? thanks, it could be a good rule to know,..
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   25 Apr 2022, 17:41
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Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is assigned to do.


(A) he said that it must be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor will know what everyone is

(B) he said it had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor knows what everyone is

(C) he said that they would have to post the assignments on the bulletin board so that management and labor knew what everyone was

(D) he said that the schedule would have to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone was

(E) saying that the schedule had to be posted on the bulletin board so that both management and labor would know what everyone had been


C, D, and E all use the wrong verb tense for the context, "A schedule was posted" so in the future we "will know what everyone is assigned to do"

B is still an incorrect verb tense and focuses on the immediate tense

A is correct
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Re: Although the manager agreed to a more flexible work schedule, he said [#permalink] New post   22 May 2022, 12:12
I got stuck between A and D. can you please explain more why D is incorrect.
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